Jun 7, 2016 14:21
7 yrs ago
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Russian term
Military Subject Matter Expert (SME)
Native in: Russian 
, English
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian, German to English
передовой ров
Russian to English
Other
Military / Defense
ideally i am looking for an equivalent term in US military terminology
a sentence for context.
В современных рубежах ***передовой ров*** сразу определяет
передний край рубежa
diagram and definition.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Передовой_ров
a sentence for context.
В современных рубежах ***передовой ров*** сразу определяет
передний край рубежa
diagram and definition.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Передовой_ров
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +2 | front-line trench |
Rachel Douglas
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References
| Abatis |
Turdimurod Rakhmanov
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Proposed translations
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25 mins
Rachel Douglas
United States
United States
Native in English
Works in field
United States
Excellent English from Russian originals
Native in: English (Variants: British, Australian, US)
Works in: Russian to English
Related KudoZ points
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front-line trench
Declined
Sometimes shortened to "front trench."
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Note added at 28 mins (2016-06-07 14:50:11 GMT)
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Here are a couple of diagrams of a trench system. Actually, these seem to be two illustrations of the same description.
http://hscnotes2013-14.weebly.com/uploads/1/4/6/5/14651444/8...
http://spartacus-educational.com/FWWtrenchsystem.JPG
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Note added at 2 hrs (2016-06-07 16:37:53 GMT)
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Are you sure that a front trench is always manned? I've seen references to "unmanned trenches" or "lightly manned trenches," which can be the front trench. Another possibility is "obstacle trench," or in your context (such as you've shown it), maybe "outer obstacle trench." ... On the other hand, I may be stuck in World War I and you may be in some other era.
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Note added at 28 mins (2016-06-07 14:50:11 GMT)
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Here are a couple of diagrams of a trench system. Actually, these seem to be two illustrations of the same description.
http://hscnotes2013-14.weebly.com/uploads/1/4/6/5/14651444/8...
http://spartacus-educational.com/FWWtrenchsystem.JPG
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Note added at 2 hrs (2016-06-07 16:37:53 GMT)
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Are you sure that a front trench is always manned? I've seen references to "unmanned trenches" or "lightly manned trenches," which can be the front trench. Another possibility is "obstacle trench," or in your context (such as you've shown it), maybe "outer obstacle trench." ... On the other hand, I may be stuck in World War I and you may be in some other era.
Note from asker:
| I do appreciate your answer Rachel. The "передовой ров" is not manned by people, as a front-line trench is. it is a place with obstacles to slow the attacking forces in the kill zone. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Dmitry Goykhman
13 mins
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Thanks, Dmitry.
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| agree |
Anton Konashenok
42 mins
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Thanks, Anton.
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Reference comments
597 days
Turdimurod Rakhmanov
Kyrgyzstan
Kyrgyzstan
Kyrgyzstan
Education, Legal, Technical & Medical
Native in: Uzbek (Variants: Tashkent, Ferghana valley, Samarkand-Bukhara, Khorezm) 
, Kirghiz
Works in: English to Uzbek, English to Kirghiz, English to Kazakh, and 26 more.
Related KudoZ points
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32
Reference:
Abatis
This must be Abatis:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abatis
An abatis, abattis, or abbattis is a field fortification consisting of an obstacle formed (in the modern era) of the branches of trees laid in a row, with the sharpened tops directed outwards, towards the enemy. The trees are usually interlaced or tied with wire. Abatis are used alone or in combination with wire entanglements and other obstacles
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Note added at 597 days (2018-01-26 07:31:59 GMT)
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IN this context:
Abatis is used with wire entanglements or wire obstacles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abatis
An abatis, abattis, or abbattis is a field fortification consisting of an obstacle formed (in the modern era) of the branches of trees laid in a row, with the sharpened tops directed outwards, towards the enemy. The trees are usually interlaced or tied with wire. Abatis are used alone or in combination with wire entanglements and other obstacles
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Note added at 597 days (2018-01-26 07:31:59 GMT)
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IN this context:
Abatis is used with wire entanglements or wire obstacles.
Reference:
Note from asker:
| Hi Mr.Rakhmanov, i did my army service as a combat engineer, abatis is something else. Examples we were shown were in a wooded area. This is an unmanned trench or depression with camouflaged obstacles to trap enemy in zone where they can be killed off. Excellent research however. You give good suggestions and help get thoughts flowing. |
Discussion
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