des productions d'auteur

English translation: authored works

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French term or phrase:des productions d'auteur
English translation:authored works
Entered by: Sasha Barral-Robinson

14:58 Jan 15, 2009
French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Photography/Imaging (& Graphic Arts) / design
French term or phrase: des productions d'auteur
Après celui de Stefan Gandl, l’ouvrage confirme une tendance qui voit les livres outils devenir des productions d’auteur.

About a design book "Sizes May Vary"
Sasha Barral-Robinson
France
Local time: 05:28
authored works
Explanation:
This is one way of saying it:
http://www.ailapubs.org/authoredworks.html
http://www.rr.cs.cmu.edu/aaw.html

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-15 16:42:24 GMT)
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I think the comparison is with anthologies, for instance, which are the works of editors/compilers, say, of photography or instances of graphic design. And in this instance to manuals.





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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-15 16:45:22 GMT)
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Sorry that should be 'with manuals'

http://www.alcs.co.uk/Multimedia/Forms/ALCS_Anthologies.pdf

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-15 16:50:12 GMT)
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A long but useful passage on this issue of types of authorship in design:

Thoughts on Authorship in Design
I was recently asked by Lauren Mackler, a former student of mine at RISD, to be part of a project she’s working on that will collect thoughts on the question of authorship in design from a range of people working in the field. While it’s an abstract and difficult subject to approach, I noticed that my writing has only dealt with this issue in a glancing way, and this seemed like a good time to get a few more concrete thoughts on the table. What follows really just lays out the issues as I see them in the broadest possible sense. It’s kind of a “brain dump.” There are, I’m sure, projects more nuanced and interstitial than those my analysis allows for, and I think that’s all for the good. Designers can and should challenge how their work is considered by the public and authorship is part of that. But as they initiate these challenges, they will inevitably encounter at least a few of the issues I outline below, and, in those cases, I hope that sharing these thoughts will be of some help. —RG

Authorship in design is a sticky question, and always has been. There are a few considerations: collaboration, control, voice, and limits. The questions that follow from these considerations are simple enough. If—like architects or filmmakers, but unlike bookwriters or oil painters—we collaborate on our projects with a huge array of people, including paying clients, regulatory and legal institutions, fellow design staff and subcontractors, printers and fabricators, merchants and mailing houses, are we even able to “author” a work? To aid us in this discussion on collaboration’s impact on authorship, some designers (in particular Michael Rock) have pointed out Andrew Sarris’s auteur model, developed for the analysis of filmmaking.


Another question is control. Design is often an applied art, made for someone at their request and for a sum of money. After that money is paid, the designer generally surrenders all rights to the work, which is “for hire.” Fine art, at least as it outwardly presents itself, is made at no one’s request. Instead the buyer buys the object, or the book, and the artist/author maintains some control and creative ownership of the work. In fine art, the divorce of work from object leaves the “concept” of the work itself behind with the author. Those who spend money on fine art do not own both art and object. This is not true with most design, where the object moves into the collector’s or consumer’s hands. Finally, authored work is synonymous with art, but much design is blatantly commerce. This fact alone disqualifies a large subsection of design from the authorship question.

But certain designers, despite the diluting effects of collaboration, and despite a seeming surrender of control, find a way for their unique voice to come through in a certain cohesive set of works. This is Sarris’s argument for what denotes an auteur in film. This would seem to make something like a writer’s “voice” the key characteristic of authoriship, but for some reason we don’t see highly distinguishing and vocally-consistent corporate campaigns like Target’s or Apple’s as authored. The reason, as I mentioned earlier, is that authorship is an idea native to fine art, not commerce. So it is not enough to have a voice; that voice must be applied to a sphere of culture that feels wholeheartedly more artistic than commercial.

This is why so many “artist/designers” want to work as close as possible to architects, museums, fashion designers, and other cultural pillars. It is Wim Crouwel’s posters for the Stedelijk Museum or his clientless, experimental Neue Alphabet that distinguish him as an author of those works, and it is these two works that are most frequently anthologized when a catalog or book is placing him in this context. Less frequently do we see his wonderful corporate identities in this context; rather we see them as evidence of his modernist approach or Total Design’s professional design success.

This raises the question of limits. Does anything a designer makes alone, with a maximum of control, without a client, in advance of some kind of artful impulse, qualify as an authored project? Not necessarily. For the authored work must also have cultural value, and that is something that is absolutely impossible for its would-be author to control. When a certain standard of quality in a work is not reached, viewers will be less interested in considering that work’s author, as the term venerates the maker of that work in a way that feels false. Further, when the limits of a relatively standard (or narrowly expansive) set of media (posters, books, websites) and methods (silkscreen, offset, HTML) are surpassed, when the work no longer walks and talks like a piece of reasonably familiar graphic design, when we’re given any cause to question what the thing we’re considering is being called, then viewers will not consider it a work of authored design but a work of authored “something else.”
http://linedandunlined.com/2008/01/13/thoughts-on-authorship...

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Thanks again, Sasha
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Local time: 04:28
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Summary of answers provided
4authored works
Helen Shiner
3book-to-screen adaptations
MatthewLaSon
3auteur works
Anna Knight
2signature works
Emma Paulay


  

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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
book-to-screen adaptations


Explanation:
Hello,

I think this is what it is.

auteur = written work?

I hope this helps.

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 23:28
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: Hi Matthew, I don't think this is about film, though, it is about a book on design.
2 days 6 hrs
  -> Hi! I'm really not sure. No one seems to be sure. I'm going to research this more later.
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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
signature works


Explanation:
Again, I'm not sure.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-01-15 19:57:50 GMT)
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I think what they're getting at is that these manuals are becoming more and more like "statements" from their authors.

Emma Paulay
France
Local time: 05:28
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 15
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auteur works


Explanation:
I think authored works or signature works are the best solutions, but perhaps you could also simply keep the French with "auteur works"? The concept of the auteur as someone who "imprints their personal vision on a work" originated in France and this term is used in English in a film analysis context as in other arts.




    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auteur_Theory
Anna Knight
France
Local time: 20:28
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you for another very helpful answer.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: I don't think this is about film, though what you propose would be perfect in that context IMO.
1 day 11 hrs
  -> I agree that this is not about film, but the term "auteur" is also used in some photography and design circles - authorship is perhaps a safer bet though.
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des productions d\'auteur
authored works


Explanation:
This is one way of saying it:
http://www.ailapubs.org/authoredworks.html
http://www.rr.cs.cmu.edu/aaw.html

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-15 16:42:24 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

I think the comparison is with anthologies, for instance, which are the works of editors/compilers, say, of photography or instances of graphic design. And in this instance to manuals.





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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-15 16:45:22 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Sorry that should be 'with manuals'

http://www.alcs.co.uk/Multimedia/Forms/ALCS_Anthologies.pdf

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-15 16:50:12 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

A long but useful passage on this issue of types of authorship in design:

Thoughts on Authorship in Design
I was recently asked by Lauren Mackler, a former student of mine at RISD, to be part of a project she’s working on that will collect thoughts on the question of authorship in design from a range of people working in the field. While it’s an abstract and difficult subject to approach, I noticed that my writing has only dealt with this issue in a glancing way, and this seemed like a good time to get a few more concrete thoughts on the table. What follows really just lays out the issues as I see them in the broadest possible sense. It’s kind of a “brain dump.” There are, I’m sure, projects more nuanced and interstitial than those my analysis allows for, and I think that’s all for the good. Designers can and should challenge how their work is considered by the public and authorship is part of that. But as they initiate these challenges, they will inevitably encounter at least a few of the issues I outline below, and, in those cases, I hope that sharing these thoughts will be of some help. —RG

Authorship in design is a sticky question, and always has been. There are a few considerations: collaboration, control, voice, and limits. The questions that follow from these considerations are simple enough. If—like architects or filmmakers, but unlike bookwriters or oil painters—we collaborate on our projects with a huge array of people, including paying clients, regulatory and legal institutions, fellow design staff and subcontractors, printers and fabricators, merchants and mailing houses, are we even able to “author” a work? To aid us in this discussion on collaboration’s impact on authorship, some designers (in particular Michael Rock) have pointed out Andrew Sarris’s auteur model, developed for the analysis of filmmaking.


Another question is control. Design is often an applied art, made for someone at their request and for a sum of money. After that money is paid, the designer generally surrenders all rights to the work, which is “for hire.” Fine art, at least as it outwardly presents itself, is made at no one’s request. Instead the buyer buys the object, or the book, and the artist/author maintains some control and creative ownership of the work. In fine art, the divorce of work from object leaves the “concept” of the work itself behind with the author. Those who spend money on fine art do not own both art and object. This is not true with most design, where the object moves into the collector’s or consumer’s hands. Finally, authored work is synonymous with art, but much design is blatantly commerce. This fact alone disqualifies a large subsection of design from the authorship question.

But certain designers, despite the diluting effects of collaboration, and despite a seeming surrender of control, find a way for their unique voice to come through in a certain cohesive set of works. This is Sarris’s argument for what denotes an auteur in film. This would seem to make something like a writer’s “voice” the key characteristic of authoriship, but for some reason we don’t see highly distinguishing and vocally-consistent corporate campaigns like Target’s or Apple’s as authored. The reason, as I mentioned earlier, is that authorship is an idea native to fine art, not commerce. So it is not enough to have a voice; that voice must be applied to a sphere of culture that feels wholeheartedly more artistic than commercial.

This is why so many “artist/designers” want to work as close as possible to architects, museums, fashion designers, and other cultural pillars. It is Wim Crouwel’s posters for the Stedelijk Museum or his clientless, experimental Neue Alphabet that distinguish him as an author of those works, and it is these two works that are most frequently anthologized when a catalog or book is placing him in this context. Less frequently do we see his wonderful corporate identities in this context; rather we see them as evidence of his modernist approach or Total Design’s professional design success.

This raises the question of limits. Does anything a designer makes alone, with a maximum of control, without a client, in advance of some kind of artful impulse, qualify as an authored project? Not necessarily. For the authored work must also have cultural value, and that is something that is absolutely impossible for its would-be author to control. When a certain standard of quality in a work is not reached, viewers will be less interested in considering that work’s author, as the term venerates the maker of that work in a way that feels false. Further, when the limits of a relatively standard (or narrowly expansive) set of media (posters, books, websites) and methods (silkscreen, offset, HTML) are surpassed, when the work no longer walks and talks like a piece of reasonably familiar graphic design, when we’re given any cause to question what the thing we’re considering is being called, then viewers will not consider it a work of authored design but a work of authored “something else.”
http://linedandunlined.com/2008/01/13/thoughts-on-authorship...

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Note added at 6 days (2009-01-22 13:26:38 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks again, Sasha

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United Kingdom
Local time: 04:28
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Native speaker of: English
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