one step removed

Spanish translation: parentesco indirecto

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English term or phrase:	one step removed
Spanish translation:	parentesco indirecto
Entered by:	Alfredo Gonzalez

13:44 Aug 21, 2003

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English term or phrase: one step removed

The four first cousins are one step removed from the nucleus of the empire.

Myriam Hernandez KudoZ activity Questions: 123 (9 open) Answers: 3 United States
Local time: 15:23

parentesco indirecto

Explanation:
me parece que se refiere a que no tienen un parentesco directo con el núcleo. En todas las referencias que encuentro, el término se utiliza para hablar de relaciones que no son directas, o en las que el sujeto no se refiere a sí mismo al hablar de un caso personal, sino que lo relata en tercera persona.
Espero que te sirva mi idea.

saludos

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quedaría algo como:

los primeros cuatro primos no tienen un parentesco directo (¿de sangre?) con el núcleo del imperio

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Alfredo Gonzalez
Local time: 13:23

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parentesco indirecto

Alfredo Gonzalez

(Los cuatro primos hermanos pertenecen a) la segunda generación

dawn39 (X)

Creo que hay "typos" en este texto: one >>> once // first-step cousins (ver explicación)

dawn39 (X)

primos segundos

Rottie (X)

son alejados un paso del núcleo...

Ruben Berrozpe (X)

no tienen relación directa / no están involucrados directamente

Carlos Anllo

...a un paso de ser eliminados del núcleo ...

David Villarruel

Answers

2 mins confidence:

...a un paso de ser eliminados del núcleo ...

Explanation:
Just guessing...
Good luck!!!

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I think there might be something left in the original sentence. Where did you get it? See you.

David Villarruel
Argentina
Local time: 16:23
Native speaker of: Spanish

16 mins confidence:

son alejados un paso del núcleo...

Explanation:
Yo también estoy haciendo cábalas. Quizá sea porque ha nacido un heredero y por tanto los primos ven cómo sus aspiraciones al poder en el imperio se ven afectadas...

Mucha imaginación, lo sé. Con contexto seguramente lo veríamos más claro.

Rb

Ruben Berrozpe (X)
Native speaker of:

Spanish

19 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

parentesco indirecto

Alfredo Gonzalez
Local time: 13:23
Native speaker of:

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 24

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45 mins confidence:

no tienen relación directa / no están involucrados directamente

Explanation:
I think these could be other valid options. :-)

Carlos Anllo
Local time: 16:23
Native speaker of:

Spanish

46 mins confidence:

Creo que hay "typos" en este texto: one >>> once // first-step cousins (ver explicación)

Explanation:
Ahora pasaré a explicar lo que imagino que está mal.
Un cordial saludo.

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Vamos por partes porque esto de los parentescos ingleses es un verdadero lío con el \"\"in-law\" y el \"step\". Se evitan palabras como la \"suegra\" y la \"nuera\"..., pero hasta que uno se entera de lo que son, pufff
:-) :-O
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A ver si me explico bien, y a ver qué opina el resto de compañeros porque lo mismo estoy metiendo la pata y el texto no tiene ningún error...
Desde luego, tal como viene yo no le encuentro el sentido.

Allá voy:

\"removed\" aquí tiene la acepción de lo que en español se denomina \"pariente lejano\" o eso que llamamos por ejemplo \"tío segundo\", \"tía tercera\"...etc.etc., que según esto y siguiendo la línea, resultaría que todos acabaríamos siendo parientes.

ONCE REMOVED = ONE GENERATION REMOVED

Así pues, creo que \"once\" equivaldría a \"segundo\" (= \"removido el parentesco una vez), \"second\" a \"tercero\" (=removido el parentesco dos veces) y así sucesivamente..., es decir que los lazos de sangre se van alejando

removed = distante

FIRST COUSIN ONCE REMOVED = tío segundo (one´s parent´s first cousin), sobrino segundo (one´s first cousin´s child)
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Esta web es muy completa y hay hasta tablas para aclarar (???) el lío de los parentescos lejanísimos.

www.scioto.org/LSV/LSV-relationships.html

\"Lower Scioto Valley Relationships Chart.-

Using the chart below, one can calculate the blood relationship of any relative, based upon the relationship of the individual to a common ancestor, through the ninth generation.

For example, what is a second cousin, twice removed? A great grandchild of the ancestor is the second cousin, two generations removed, from the great-great-great grandchild of the same ancestor. That is, the equivalent great-grandchildren are second cousins, and the grandchild of the one great-grandchild is the other great-grandchild\'s second cousin, twice removed.

Find the equal generation between descendants (the common level; eg, second cousin between great-grandchildren of the common ancestor). If you ADD a generation between one person and the common level, that one person is that level (eg, second cousin) plus one generation removed from the common connection point, thus second cousin, **once removed**. Each successive generation added between the common level and the individual referenced is the number of removeds within the relationship.\"
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No sé si saldrá bien aquí
Maternal Parents
____________|____________
| |
| |
(Mom) |----Dad Aunt-------(Uncle)
|-----+ |-----+-----| +----|
| | |
Child D Child DA Child A = Step-siblings (Dad/Aunt)
| | | = First Cousins (Mom/Aunt)
| | |
GChild D1 GChild DA1 GChild A1 = First step-cousins (Dad/Aunt)(
| | | = Second Cousins (Mom/Aunt)
| | |
GGChild D2 GGChild DA2 GGChild A2 = Second step-cousins
(Dad/Aunt)
= Third Cousins (Mom/Aunt)
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Perdonad:
NO ha salido bien lo anterior...
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Hay otra web que aclara (???) eso de los parentescos lejanos,pero no se puede copiar:

www.motherbedford.com/Cousins.htm
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Puede tratarse pues de :

PRIMO SEGUNDO (one´s first cousin´s child)

TÍO SEGUNDO (one´s parent´s first cousin)

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Posible traducción:

\"Los cuatro sobrinos/ tíos segundos del núcleo del imperio\"

Imagino que el \"núcleo del imperio\" se refiere a la línea de sucesión al trono: cuanto más alejado el parentesco, menos probabilidad de ser emperador.

dawn39 (X)
Native speaker of:

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 20

1 hr confidence:

primos segundos

Explanation:
"Los cuatro primeros primos son primos segundos y, consecuentemente, alejados, a un paso, del nucleo de la ...."

o algo parecido.

Rottie (X)
Local time: 20:23
Native speaker of:

Swedish

1 hr confidence:

(Los cuatro primos hermanos pertenecen a) la segunda generación

Explanation:
Tras mucho darle vueltas,me decido por esta traducción.

first cousin = primo hermano / carnal

one step removed = de la segunda generación
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Otro cordial saludo.

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He llegado a la conclusión de que no hay \"typos\" en el texto: es \"one\" y no \"once\" porque está expresado de diferente manera:

Se puede decir \"first cousin ONCE removed\" o \"first cousin ONE step removed\"
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En esta web se habla de lo dificilísimo que resulta enterarse del parentesco lejano entre primos.

www.arduini.net/tools/cousins.htm

COUSINS & COUSINHOOD

\"It´s all strictly relative\"

\"It takes very little time before the average genealogical researcher is confronted with the issue of cousins and cousinhood. And for those of us who think we\'ve got it figured out (and therefore dare to use it in conversation) one of the most common phrases we hear is,
***\"What the hell does that \'once removed\' stuff really mean, anyway?\"*** :-)
This is my feeble attempt at explaining the issues around cousinhood, how it is measured, and what it means. I believe I\'ve actually got a pretty good handle on the subject, but if I\'m wrong please let me know as soon as possible.

Here is a chart I\'ve drawn which illustrates (I hope) the key points. Take a look at the chart, and then let\'s discuss what it means and how to read it.

Full siblings and cousins are all members of the same generation! In other words, they\'ve descended the **same number of steps** from the shared ancestors. Siblings share a set of parents.
***First cousins share a set of grandparents***.
Second cousins share a set of great grandparents. And on it goes... \"

dawn39 (X)
Native speaker of:

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 20

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