Sep 14, 2004 08:34
19 yrs ago
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Spanish term
rancio/evolución
Spanish to English
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Wine / Oenology / Viticulture
wine tasting
El análisis de varianza (ANOVA) para un nivel de confianza del 85% nos indica que el XXXX'03 es diferente a la media de los 6 vinos de la competencia debido a una tonalidad de color menor (tonos azules), notas más intensas a frutas del bosque y florales y menos intensas a tostados/ahumados, vainilla/coco y ***rancio/evolución***. En boca, presenta una intensidad retronasal y astringencia mayor con menor acidez.
Getting all technical here about wine (instead of just drinking it). Anyway, any ideas about rancio/evolución. Is it sour? gone off?
Getting all technical here about wine (instead of just drinking it). Anyway, any ideas about rancio/evolución. Is it sour? gone off?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | rancio / aged or rancid / altered |
tazdog (X)
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| 4 | rancio/developed |
James Calder
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| 4 | rancio/maturation |
Michele Fauble
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Proposed translations
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Spanish term (edited):
rancio/evoluci�n
Selected
rancio / aged or rancid / altered
James is right about "rancio" being used in English, BUT be careful. Look at this evaluation:
Gran Vega evidenció defectos ya de mayor importancia, pero con sus 4 puntos quedó cerca del aprobado. Por último, la muestra de Don Simón obtuvo un claro suspenso, al encontrarse ***rancio, por un exceso de evolución en la botella***.
http://revista.consumer.es/web/es/20001101/actualidad/analis...
Now look at the definitions of the words in Spanish:
Rancio: Olor butírico de un vino alterado o quebrado. No confundir con los vinos rancios, exquisitos vinos dulces naturales, asoleados y maduros.
http://vinocata.com/htmlyjs/r.htm
EVOLUCIONADO: Vino que ha sufrido modificaciones con el paso del tiempo
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/9621/vinosdic.html
Rancio as a defect is definitely rancid:
Butyric acid bacteria infection.
16 Rancid
17 Fishy
http://honeycreek.us/winefaults.htm
In your text, it's probably rancio, as James suggested. (I'd use "aged" for the evolución), as the rest of the attributes appear to be positive. Here's one def. on "rancio":
Rancio
Obscure wine-tasting term with several conflicting definitions. Perhaps etymologically akin to "rancid" in English, but not so pejorative. Emile Peynaud lists it as synonymous with "maderized" (see above); Alexis Lichine notes that it may represent the "nutty" flavor of Sherry, the "cooked" taste of some California sweet wines, and the "pungent" flavor of Madeira, Marsala and Malaga, and the "characteristic" flavor of older Banyuls from Southwestern France; Amerine and Roessler find it in older, oxidized, usually sweet red wines; and other sources point to it in Cognacs and Brandies de Jerez. The point in this extended series of quotes, frankly, is to suggest that the term is too vague, and too obscure, to be of much use. http://www.wine-lovers-page.com/cgi-bin/lexicon/gd.cgi?w=387
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Note added at 1 hr 32 mins (2004-09-14 10:06:13 GMT)
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Maturation
The aging period at the winery during which the wine evolves to a state of readiness for bottling. Also the ongoing development of fine wines during a period of bottle aging.
http://www.callawaycoastal.com/glossary.html
Gran Vega evidenció defectos ya de mayor importancia, pero con sus 4 puntos quedó cerca del aprobado. Por último, la muestra de Don Simón obtuvo un claro suspenso, al encontrarse ***rancio, por un exceso de evolución en la botella***.
http://revista.consumer.es/web/es/20001101/actualidad/analis...
Now look at the definitions of the words in Spanish:
Rancio: Olor butírico de un vino alterado o quebrado. No confundir con los vinos rancios, exquisitos vinos dulces naturales, asoleados y maduros.
http://vinocata.com/htmlyjs/r.htm
EVOLUCIONADO: Vino que ha sufrido modificaciones con el paso del tiempo
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/9621/vinosdic.html
Rancio as a defect is definitely rancid:
Butyric acid bacteria infection.
16 Rancid
17 Fishy
http://honeycreek.us/winefaults.htm
In your text, it's probably rancio, as James suggested. (I'd use "aged" for the evolución), as the rest of the attributes appear to be positive. Here's one def. on "rancio":
Rancio
Obscure wine-tasting term with several conflicting definitions. Perhaps etymologically akin to "rancid" in English, but not so pejorative. Emile Peynaud lists it as synonymous with "maderized" (see above); Alexis Lichine notes that it may represent the "nutty" flavor of Sherry, the "cooked" taste of some California sweet wines, and the "pungent" flavor of Madeira, Marsala and Malaga, and the "characteristic" flavor of older Banyuls from Southwestern France; Amerine and Roessler find it in older, oxidized, usually sweet red wines; and other sources point to it in Cognacs and Brandies de Jerez. The point in this extended series of quotes, frankly, is to suggest that the term is too vague, and too obscure, to be of much use. http://www.wine-lovers-page.com/cgi-bin/lexicon/gd.cgi?w=387
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Note added at 1 hr 32 mins (2004-09-14 10:06:13 GMT)
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Maturation
The aging period at the winery during which the wine evolves to a state of readiness for bottling. Also the ongoing development of fine wines during a period of bottle aging.
http://www.callawaycoastal.com/glossary.html
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Michele Fauble
: "There are two general phases of wine aging. Maturation occurs between fermentation and bottling and generally lasts from six to twenty-four months or more..." " ...aging begins after the wine has been bottled."
1 hr
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2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "you all gave very useful links and resources. However, after speaking with the client, we have decided on "mellow". "
38 mins
James Calder
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Sports/creative translation and writing
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, Portuguese to English
Related KudoZ points
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12
Spanish term (edited):
rancio/evoluci�n
rancio/developed
I would leave 'rancio' as it is. It is used fairly widely to described wine (particularly in France and Spain) that has been aged for a long time. You'll find some alternatives at this link: http://www.wine-lovers-page.com/cgi-bin/lexicon/gd.cgi?w=387
As for 'evolución' I suppose it means 'evolucionado' or 'well- developed'. Here's another reference:
Developed
Mature. A well-developed wine is more drinkable than an undeveloped one.
www.sallys-place.com/beverages/wine/wine_glossery.htm - 32k
The term 'developed rancio' can also be used:
Winestate Magazine - Tasting notes, reviews and articles from ...
... Year - N/V. Price - 8.96. Rating - ***. Mid-tawny in colour. A lifted spirity nose
with developed rancio and coffee nuances with a hint of matchstick. ...
www.winestate.com.au/magazine/ review.asp?issueno=42&review=Fortifieds - 91k
As for 'evolución' I suppose it means 'evolucionado' or 'well- developed'. Here's another reference:
Developed
Mature. A well-developed wine is more drinkable than an undeveloped one.
www.sallys-place.com/beverages/wine/wine_glossery.htm - 32k
The term 'developed rancio' can also be used:
Winestate Magazine - Tasting notes, reviews and articles from ...
... Year - N/V. Price - 8.96. Rating - ***. Mid-tawny in colour. A lifted spirity nose
with developed rancio and coffee nuances with a hint of matchstick. ...
www.winestate.com.au/magazine/ review.asp?issueno=42&review=Fortifieds - 91k
52 mins
Michele Fauble
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Native English
Native in: English 
Works in: Norwegian to English, Danish to English, Swedish to English
Related KudoZ points
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4
Spanish term (edited):
rancio/evoluci�n
rancio/maturation
Obscure wine-tasting term with several conflicting definitions. ...
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Note added at 54 mins (2004-09-14 09:28:29 GMT)
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\"Rancio\" Obscure wine-tasting term with several conflicting definitions. ...
www.wine-lovers-page.com/cgi-bin/lexicon/gd.cgi?w=387
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Note added at 58 mins (2004-09-14 09:32:34 GMT)
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\"Maturing Pinotage in oak definitely adds to the depth of flavour, the complexity and the maturation of the wine. ... \"
www.pinotage.co.za/html/maturation.html
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Note added at 2 hrs 2 mins (2004-09-14 10:36:19 GMT)
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\"There are two general phases of wine aging. Maturation occurs between fermentation and bottling and generally lasts from six to twenty-four months or more...\" \" ...aging begins after the wine has been bottled.\"
winemakermag.com/feature/148.html
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Note added at 54 mins (2004-09-14 09:28:29 GMT)
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\"Rancio\" Obscure wine-tasting term with several conflicting definitions. ...
www.wine-lovers-page.com/cgi-bin/lexicon/gd.cgi?w=387
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Note added at 58 mins (2004-09-14 09:32:34 GMT)
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\"Maturing Pinotage in oak definitely adds to the depth of flavour, the complexity and the maturation of the wine. ... \"
www.pinotage.co.za/html/maturation.html
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Note added at 2 hrs 2 mins (2004-09-14 10:36:19 GMT)
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\"There are two general phases of wine aging. Maturation occurs between fermentation and bottling and generally lasts from six to twenty-four months or more...\" \" ...aging begins after the wine has been bottled.\"
winemakermag.com/feature/148.html
Discussion
los t�cnicos han valorado mucho mejor los vinos con car�cter afrutado y estructura en boca a los de crianza con cierta evoluci�n y poco equilibrados o ligeros en boca.