Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
en moyen propre
English translation:
operating their own capacities
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Elizabeth Niklewska
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This is from a text about business dealings between various airlines.
Air S a annoncé l’arrêt de la desserte de Paris. Air X vient d’annoncer la desserte de Mahé à partir de mai 2017. Est-ce une coïncidence? Air X, savait-elle que Air S allait suspendre cette route? TRAD
Air X a annoncé le 30 Novembre 2017 les vols sur Mahé opérés par Joon à compter du 5 Mai 2018. Compte tenu de ces opérations "en moyen propre", Air X n’a pas renouvelé son accord de code-share avec Air S pour la saison Eté 2018. Le 23 janvier 2018, Air S a communiqué sur son repositionnement stratégique sur l’activité régionale et l’abandon de l’activité long-courrier. Le 26 Janvier, Air S perdu sa certification IOSA, obligeant Air X à anticiper immédiatement la fin de sa coopération sur les vols opérés par YYYYYY
I guess this means "by its own means" (put clumsily)
Air S a annoncé l’arrêt de la desserte de Paris. Air X vient d’annoncer la desserte de Mahé à partir de mai 2017. Est-ce une coïncidence? Air X, savait-elle que Air S allait suspendre cette route? TRAD
Air X a annoncé le 30 Novembre 2017 les vols sur Mahé opérés par Joon à compter du 5 Mai 2018. Compte tenu de ces opérations "en moyen propre", Air X n’a pas renouvelé son accord de code-share avec Air S pour la saison Eté 2018. Le 23 janvier 2018, Air S a communiqué sur son repositionnement stratégique sur l’activité régionale et l’abandon de l’activité long-courrier. Le 26 Janvier, Air S perdu sa certification IOSA, obligeant Air X à anticiper immédiatement la fin de sa coopération sur les vols opérés par YYYYYY
I guess this means "by its own means" (put clumsily)
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French term (edited):
opérations en moyen propre
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operating their own capacities
Compte tenu de ces opérations "en moyen propre", Air X n’a pas renouvelé son accord de code-share avec Air S pour la saison Eté 2018.
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Given that they are [there] operating their own capacities, Air X hasn't renewed ...
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Given that they are [there] operating their own capacities, Air X hasn't renewed ...
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Comment: "I think this is a safe option."
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by its own means/on its own
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As a result of their own operations/schedules,
Compte tenu de ces opérations "en moyen propre"
As a result of their own operations/schedules,
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en moyen propre = own
As a result of their own operations/schedules,
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Note added at 5 hrs (2018-02-08 22:32:20 GMT)
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en moyen propre = own
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own metal
Ths term may well be an option for you here, especially if the inverted commas appear in the text (or did you add them?)
South African Airways and Qantas will end their long term codeshare arrangement on flights between Australia and Johannesburg from May 31.
The codeshare has been in place since October 2000, when SAA stopped flying between Johannesburg and Sydney with its own metal after 27 years of operation.
http://www.travelweekly.com.au/article/Qantas-SAA-to-end-cod...
KPMG: New era of airline consolidation with BA Iberia merger.
“Airline cooperation can be thought of as a continuum, with stand alone airlines at one end serving only their own routes on their own metal, ranging to a full airline merger at the other,” she said.
http://www.big4.com/news/kpmg-new-era-of-airline-consolidati...
From a CAA decision
Neither does the CAA agree with easyJet's suggestion that, because one carrier may offer similar prices on 'own metal' and codeshare flights that this demonstrates a lack of price competition.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?complete=0&biw=1280&bih=845&...
The airline had always wanted to fly its own "metal" (aircraft) to London and Frankfurt, and, while it had "a great codeshare" with Air France, it would still like to fly daily to Paris.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-pl...
The airline subsequently ceased own metal operations on the route in March this year.
https://www.flysaa.com/mz/it/flyingSAA/News/SAA_codeshares_o...
Also see this KudoZ question in the opposite direction.
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_french/aerospace_aviat...
Plus lots of informal references on any flyer-type forum.
South African Airways and Qantas will end their long term codeshare arrangement on flights between Australia and Johannesburg from May 31.
The codeshare has been in place since October 2000, when SAA stopped flying between Johannesburg and Sydney with its own metal after 27 years of operation.
http://www.travelweekly.com.au/article/Qantas-SAA-to-end-cod...
KPMG: New era of airline consolidation with BA Iberia merger.
“Airline cooperation can be thought of as a continuum, with stand alone airlines at one end serving only their own routes on their own metal, ranging to a full airline merger at the other,” she said.
http://www.big4.com/news/kpmg-new-era-of-airline-consolidati...
From a CAA decision
Neither does the CAA agree with easyJet's suggestion that, because one carrier may offer similar prices on 'own metal' and codeshare flights that this demonstrates a lack of price competition.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?complete=0&biw=1280&bih=845&...
The airline had always wanted to fly its own "metal" (aircraft) to London and Frankfurt, and, while it had "a great codeshare" with Air France, it would still like to fly daily to Paris.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-pl...
The airline subsequently ceased own metal operations on the route in March this year.
https://www.flysaa.com/mz/it/flyingSAA/News/SAA_codeshares_o...
Also see this KudoZ question in the opposite direction.
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_french/aerospace_aviat...
Plus lots of informal references on any flyer-type forum.
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Daryo
: bien trouvé // OTOH, there is less and less metal [and more composite materials] on the latest models of airplanes, so it will soon sound odd ...
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Thanks, Daryo. (Someone else thinking the same way as you comment #9 http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=591239 )
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using their own aircraft/operating the flights themselves
I think is the simplest and most idiomatic way of saying this. I've never seen or heard "own metal" in use.
they are not leasing aircraft from other airlines or getting another airline to take over the flight but will be carrying out operation of the flights themselves.
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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-02-10 16:24:04 GMT)
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I just had experience of this as I recently received an email about a flight I booked:
"...We're writing to let you know about some changes to your booking with reference XXXXX
We had to make some adjustments to our schedule and have leased a small number of aircraft from other airlines. They will operate the flights on our behalf so you can fly to your destination as planned..."
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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-02-10 16:25:14 GMT)
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BTW the email is from British Airways
they are not leasing aircraft from other airlines or getting another airline to take over the flight but will be carrying out operation of the flights themselves.
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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-02-10 16:24:04 GMT)
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I just had experience of this as I recently received an email about a flight I booked:
"...We're writing to let you know about some changes to your booking with reference XXXXX
We had to make some adjustments to our schedule and have leased a small number of aircraft from other airlines. They will operate the flights on our behalf so you can fly to your destination as planned..."
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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-02-10 16:25:14 GMT)
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BTW the email is from British Airways
Discussion
code-sharing is more a kind of "joint-operation" between two equal partners ...