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Jan 27, 2013 20:48
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français term

"Matériel banalisé"

français vers anglais Technique / Génie Construction / génie civil Offshore oil and gas - EN-UK
"Le système de pesage proposé par les ENTREPRENEURS seront APPROUVÉS par le MAITRE DE L’OUVRAGE et associeront le pesage par phase, discipline, ÉQUIPEMENT et MATÉRIEL BANALISÉ etc."

"Activités par discipline, placements de commandes d’achat ; avancement, ÉQUIPEMENT/MATÉRIEL BANALISÉ etc."

Common materials? Off-the-shelf materials? Unbranded materials? ...
Proposed translations (anglais)
4 +1 raw equipment
5 -1 Consumables
4 Generic brands
4 off-the-shelf items
3 bulk material

Discussion

B D Finch (asker) Jan 29, 2013:
Thanks but Kashew's reference posted in discussion gave a definitive description in French of what the source term means. From that, I decided to use "non-itemised".

Andrew is, I'm afraid, on quite the wrong track with the idea of "bulk cargo". This isn't sand or gravel (non-bulk cargo can also be carried in a ship's hold).
Nicholas Andrew Courtney Jan 28, 2013:
Down below is the bulk cargo
Nicholas Andrew Courtney Jan 28, 2013:
Platform supply vessels (PSV) to offshore oil rigs carry "miscellaneous deck cargo." Deck cargo is stored on deck rather than in the hold.
Mary Lalevee Jan 28, 2013:
It couldn't be "standard types of..." could it? Just a guess.
B D Finch (asker) Jan 28, 2013:
@kashew Thanks for the useful ref. I think that "bulk" doesn't really describe that. What about "non-itemised material" or "material not individually specified"? However, I don't seem to get any ghits for those terms in conjunction with "oil and gas". Perhaps "miscellaneous supplies"?
kashew Jan 28, 2013:
As Daryo already posted, this will help I think http://www.enclair.net/Energie/materiel-banalise_bulk.htm
i.e. untraceable via drawings etc.
I'm not sure his bulk is absolutely clear.
B D Finch (asker) Jan 28, 2013:
@Andrew & Catherine Thanks. "Unmarked" was my first guess, as I associated it with police cars. However, that just didn't fit the second occurrence. Even with regard to police cars, the French logic is slightly different from the English.
Nicholas Andrew Courtney Jan 27, 2013:
Was having trouble finding the phrase until i searched for "véhicule banalisé." like catherine says, it's often translated as "unmarked car." "bulk-buy car" also comes up, as does "commonplace vehicle."
Catherine De Crignis Jan 27, 2013:
What about "unmarked" ? Not really found anything interesting and it's getting late ( - ;

Proposed translations

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français term (edited): \"Matériel banalisé\"

raw equipment

"je me suis arrangé pour présenter les choses sous l’aspect pratique. L’association aura besoin, ai-je argumenté, de tables, de chaises et de petit matériel. Le maire a commencé par proposer que le matériel banalisé servant - pas souvent, il faut bien le dire - en cas de manifestation communale soit mis de temps en temps à la disposition d’une telle association."

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raw material

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raw supplies
Peer comment(s):
neutral Daryo : "de tables, de chaises et de petit matériel --- Le maire"? what is the link with "Tech/Engineering - Construction / Civil Engineering / Offshore oil and gas"?
1 heure
in the article, "petit matériel" is a direct ref to "matériel banalisé"
agree GILLES MEUNIER
6 heures
thanks Gilou
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1 heure

bulk material


Terminologie des projets dans les secteurs energie

Matériel banalisé, bulk

Dans le langage de l'ingénierie du raffinage, ce terme désigne tout particulièrement les matériaux non identifiés ni repérés individuellement (Tuyauteries, charpentes, brides, etc...) par opposition aux matériels itémisés repérés sur les plans.

[http://www.enclair.net/Energie/materiel-banalise_bulk.htm]

"SITECNE ENGINEERINGperformed the following services:
PIPING LAYOUT ENGINEERING
- Bulk material detailed engineering;
-Engineering during erection."
[http://www.sitecneengineering.eu/allegati/documenti/20121447...]

" Locations: Caracas, Venezuela - Houston, Texas

Project: Shell - West Urdaneta Field Reactivation Project

Led all Bulk material purchasing efforts in Caracas, Venezuela to successfully complete the reactivation of the West Urdaneta oil field within the project schedule. "
[http://www.people4business.com/seller-265019.htm]

" Oseberg Phase 2

Member of the estimating group preparing the project Master Control Estimate. Specific responsibility for the fabrication and bulk material accounts, with estimates based on weight data and costs obtained from detailed analysis of the Oseberg A and B projects. "
[http://www.people4business.com/seller-276634.htm]

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"It has been found convenient to define modules as pre-assemblies of such a weight and size as to require heavy lifting services for offshore load-in. Correspondingly all integration materials are defined as liftable by platform cranes, of which the bulk integration materials are the most important as they determine the offshore man-hour volume. "
[http://www.scribd.com/doc/59078790/Performance-Measurement-E...]
Note from asker:
Thanks Daryo. That seems very likely indeed and your last reference, making the connection with work-hours is particularly appropriate to my context.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Nicholas Andrew Courtney : if you go to the top link, the "(comma) bulk" doesn't seem to be a translation of the term, i think it means raw materials (comma) "in bulk". what do you think?
1 heure
it's just a clue where to check further; maybe they mentioned also "bulk" because sometimes it's simply not translated from EN - happens even when there's a perfectly good FR word.
neutral kashew : I think it's basically untraceable material.
15 heures
not so much "untraceable" (that has a connotation of "hiding"/"anonymity"), more as: ordinary, plain, not "itemised", nothing special/specific about it.
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-1
3 heures

Consumables

Imho
Peer comment(s):
disagree Kim Metzger : http://translate.google.com/#fr/en/Matériel banalisé
3 minutes
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13 heures

Generic brands

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_brand

It very specifically means 'unmarked', as in

http://www.venoge.ch/deltalink/fichiers/030718-JournalCosson...

«Quand le matériel quitte notre atelier, il est banalisé. C’est-à-dire
que nous avons tout fait pour que l’on ne puisse pas identifier sa provenance."

But here (and at the mairie), the meaning is generic
Note from asker:
Thanks Sian, but I don't think that would fit the context of oil and gas platform engineering.
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16 heures

off-the-shelf items

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but untraceable can apply to some of it.

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some items remaining untagged upon reception.

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Note added at 17 heures (2013-01-28 13:51:16 GMT)
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Maybe "stock materials" is a good way of expressing it?
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