Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
penser avec l\'autre
English translation:
thinking along with the other
Added to glossary by
Jeanne Zang
Nov 24, 2012 01:59
11 yrs ago
French term
penser avec l'autre
French to English
Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
This is from a report by an NGO working on hunger issues in Africa, specifically the cultural and mental health aspects.
Se manifeste ici la pluralité des soins en Afrique et leurs logiques (Fassin D., 1992). Cette pluralité culturelle, que Pierre Bourdieu avait soulignée dans les composantes sociologiques, permettrait d'accueillir et de cohabiter avec de nouvelles manières de faire (1980 ; Moro M.-R., 2007). Ainsi s'offre une opportunité de penser le « comment faire » plutôt que le « pourquoi ». Penser avec l'autre déboucherait sur des dispositifs intermédiaires permettant de travailler ensemble, dans une perspective commune (Kaës R., 1998).
Se manifeste ici la pluralité des soins en Afrique et leurs logiques (Fassin D., 1992). Cette pluralité culturelle, que Pierre Bourdieu avait soulignée dans les composantes sociologiques, permettrait d'accueillir et de cohabiter avec de nouvelles manières de faire (1980 ; Moro M.-R., 2007). Ainsi s'offre une opportunité de penser le « comment faire » plutôt que le « pourquoi ». Penser avec l'autre déboucherait sur des dispositifs intermédiaires permettant de travailler ensemble, dans une perspective commune (Kaës R., 1998).
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thinking along with the other
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John Holland
: Please see my discussion entry above
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Thank you, especially for the references in your Discussion entry.
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Victoria Britten
: I like this formulation, but I think adding "person" at the end (see John's quotation) is absolutely necessary. The French standard here is too elliptical in English.
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Not so for social science lingo, but thank you for your consideration and comment.
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Emma Paulay
: http://www.aucegypt.edu/current/zewail/Pages/beate.aspx
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Thank you, especially for the additional reference.
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Lara Barnett
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Thank you.
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Verginia Ophof
: Yes ! going through the thought process and experience together
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Thank you.
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Daryo
: " along with" - yes!
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Thank you.
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Yvonne Gallagher
: typical of social science lingo as you say...
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Thank you.
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Anne R
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Thank you.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks! And I think it might be good to add "person" as Victoria notes."
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putting yourself in the other's position
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thinking as he does
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identifying with the other person's situation
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thinking as he/she does
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or: getting in tune with the mindset of the other person involved
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thinking as he does
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Note added at 6 mins (2012-11-24 02:06:54 GMT)
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identifying with the other person's situation
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Note added at 25 mins (2012-11-24 02:25:08 GMT)
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thinking as he/she does
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or: getting in tune with the mindset of the other person involved
1 hr
Thinking like the other
Thinking like the other would result …
Another possibility.
Another possibility.
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Putting yourself/oneself in the other's shoes
As more explicit, exploring alternatives
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French term (edited):
penser avec l\'autre
Pooling ideas
Another possible angle, along with "Sharing thoughts" or "Exchanging ideas".
Discussion
For one discussion of this, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Lacan#Other.2Fother
The "other" is generally (but not exclusively) another person (in his or her otherness), whereas the "Other" is something like "radical alterity" or an ultimate guarantee.
This is relevant in that the author cited, René Kaës, in fact is a French psychoanalyst, known for his work on group therapy. See: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Kaës
Although the difference can be expressed with capitalization, I often like to add "person" to the lower-case "other," just to be clear and because I think it tends to sound a bit better. But that's a stylistic preference. In the context of the text we're translating here, it is clear that it is a question of openness to otherness as such, not only a specific other person, so I can see leaving "person" out, as well.
See p. 388 of: http://obssr.od.nih.gov/issh/2012/files/Vennix 1999.pdf :
"...if both previous requirements are met, one should also be able to change one's own behaviour significantly in order to break through a self-fulfilling prophecy and change the "inevitable'' social reality. This can be particularly difficult. In the example where two people continuously try to convince each other, the simple rule to break the vicious cycle (and to see that social reality is actually constructed by our own behaviour) is to act in the opposite manner: start listening and think along with the other person. The rule is deceptively simple, but it can prove extremely difficult to apply consistently."
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=700053126082778722...
I like the addition of "person" at the end, myself.