Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Punkteabbau
English translation:
active reduction of penalty points
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Jan 4, 2011 05:40
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Punkteabbau
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In a letter from the Kraftfahrt-Bundesamt in response to an enquiry about points on a licence.
"Fragen zur Punktbewertung, Möglichkelten zur Punktereduzierung und zum Punkteabbau erfragen Sie bitte bei Ihrer zuständigen Fahrerlaubnisbehörde."
Could some-one please explain the difference between Punktereduzierung and Punkteabbau.
Thank you for your help.
"Fragen zur Punktbewertung, Möglichkelten zur Punktereduzierung und zum Punkteabbau erfragen Sie bitte bei Ihrer zuständigen Fahrerlaubnisbehörde."
Could some-one please explain the difference between Punktereduzierung and Punkteabbau.
Thank you for your help.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +1 | active reduction of penalty points |
Mack Tillman (X)
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| 4 | Expiry of points |
David Williams
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Change log
Jan 4, 2011 09:15: Ingo Dierkschnieder changed "Term asked" from "Punkteabbau (as distinct from Punktereduzierung)" to "Punkteabbau"
Proposed translations
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active reduction of penalty points
If you refer to the official website,
http://www.kba.de/cln_005/nn_130624/EN/ZentraleRegister__en/...
you will notice that they talk about penalty points being deleted and not expiring.
The difference between Punktereduzierung und Punkteabbau seems to be that Punkteabbau is the active process that leads to a reduction in points. It appears to me that the original wording was not well thought out, but IMO ...abbau is referring to the process where the penalized driver has to actively engage in specific measures such as seminars or consultation regarding correct traffic behavior. Once these measures are completed, his penalty points are reduced by a certain number depending on the type of measure and initial point amount before engaging in the measure.
http://www.kba.de/cln_015/nn_124734/DE/Punktsystem/Punkteabb...
Possibly you could say:
Punkteabbau: Way of reducing penalty points or How to reduce penalty points
while
Punktereduzierung: penalty point reduction
http://www.kba.de/cln_005/nn_130624/EN/ZentraleRegister__en/...
you will notice that they talk about penalty points being deleted and not expiring.
The difference between Punktereduzierung und Punkteabbau seems to be that Punkteabbau is the active process that leads to a reduction in points. It appears to me that the original wording was not well thought out, but IMO ...abbau is referring to the process where the penalized driver has to actively engage in specific measures such as seminars or consultation regarding correct traffic behavior. Once these measures are completed, his penalty points are reduced by a certain number depending on the type of measure and initial point amount before engaging in the measure.
http://www.kba.de/cln_015/nn_124734/DE/Punktsystem/Punkteabb...
Possibly you could say:
Punkteabbau: Way of reducing penalty points or How to reduce penalty points
while
Punktereduzierung: penalty point reduction
Peer comment(s):
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David Williams
: No, I think you will find active reduction would be Punktereduzierung.
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IMO, reduzierung is the result that you get, when you engage in measures (seminars) to reduce the penalty points on your account. Sorry for the late reply.
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David Wright
: Not sure about the term but this seems to be the meaning from the references I refer to in my discussion contribution. "Reduction" vs "deletion" might be possible and fits in with your comments
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Thanks, David!
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Damian Brandt
: The links back up what Mack is saying. I would use "expiry" for "Reduzierung" and "active reduction" for Abbau, just to make it 100% clear.
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Thanks, Damian!
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David Williams
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German term (edited):
Punkteabbau (as distinct from Punktereduzierung)
Expiry of points
This refers to points expiring after their period of validity set by the authorities, e.g., 2 years., rather than the removal of points.
Example sentence:
The system also facilitates notification of expiry of points after three years in accordance with the provisions of the system.
Penalty points expiry
Peer comment(s):
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Ingrid Stevens
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Thanks Ingrid!
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David Wright
: In think this is the oppiosite (see reference in my discussion contribution);
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Discussion
"Abgebaut werden können Punkte nach folgendem Bonussystem entsprechend § 4 Abs. 4 StVG:
* 0-8 Punkte: Freiwillig nachschulen lassen im Aufbaukurs durch qualifizierte Fahrschulen -4 Punkte abgebaut,
* 9-13 Punkte: Aufbauseminar bei Fahrschulen -2 Punkte abgebaut,
* 14-17 Punkte: Aus freien Stücken Teilnahme an einer verkehrspsychologischen Beratung durch einen speziell ausgebildeten und amtlich anerkannten Verkehrspsychologen -2 Punkte abgebaut.
* 18 Punkte: Führerschein weg/Keine Abbaumöglichkeit"
(http://www.autorecht.com/Bussgeldkatalog/Punkteabbau/punktea...
I guess that reduzierung means that they are reduced through passage of time; however, none of the sites I have looked at makes this distinction, and frankly seem to use the terms to mean the same thing, eg:
http://www.verkehrslexikon.de/Module/PunkteSystem.php#17