Apr 20, 2010 17:47
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French term
tonique depressif
French to English
Medical
Psychology
its the title of an article: "L’enfant hyperactif : un dépressif tonique"
the article appears to be making a link between hyperactivity in children and depression -- pointing out their similarities and their co-occurance -- but i still don't know how to translate "depressif tonique". someone else translated it as "a tonic depression" but that doesnt mean anything to me.
any ideas?
the article appears to be making a link between hyperactivity in children and depression -- pointing out their similarities and their co-occurance -- but i still don't know how to translate "depressif tonique". someone else translated it as "a tonic depression" but that doesnt mean anything to me.
any ideas?
Proposed translations
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| 3 | The hyperactive child : a lively (but) depressive child" |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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| 4 +1 | a restless/agitated/over-excitable/fidgeting depressive/depression with restlessness/fidgeting/over- |
liz askew
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References
| BTW I though that "un dépressif" = a... |
liz askew
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Proposed translations
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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Native in: English 
Works in: French to English
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French term (edited):
"L’enfant hyperactif : un dépressif tonique"
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The hyperactive child : a lively (but) depressive child"
I think it is wiser to consider the whole to make of this. It is what the French describe as a complex phrase, with the juxtaposition of two propositions. This basically means that either the subkect or the verb is the same in both parts, the parts being separated by punctuation.
Here the subject is repeated "lenfant" and then "un dépressif" (un enfant dépressif).
As I read this title, the second part is simply describing what is being meant by the first. I would use ordinary English. Repetition of the word child accentuates the proposition I read as beign put forward. What follows by way of explanation will be borne out by the article itself, or not, so you will know!
Hyperactivity is part of a range of disorders grouped under the heading ADHD, recognised and used by classic mental disorder classifications, the DSM-IV and the ICD-10, the former being the American Psychiatric Association and the latter the World health Organisation classification.
The term "hyperactive" is often used by folks like you and me, the press and elsewhere quite ordinarily. It does have specific meaning.
Never the less, in your heading I suspect the purpose of second part serves to raise a suggestion that a hyperactive child might in fact be a lively but depressed child. I would expect a title like that to head a disussion giving pointers perhaps to the possibility that a child with ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder), recogised as being "hyperactive" may in fact be suffering from depression, that the depression may even be masked by his liveliness (tonicité) or hyperactivity.
You will find out from the article whether consideration is given to one being dependent upon the other or the possiiblity that the two conditions exist, are 'comorbid'.
My basic reference for this is ADHD Cormorbidities, Handbook for ADHD Complications in Children and Adults, Thomas E. Brown, 2009, American Psychitaric publishing, (pp 100-102).
(Makes for fun bedtime reading!)
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The Brown book reference refers to studies where children and adolescent in the cohort presented with a range of possibilities : ADHD only, depression only, ADHD with depression, neither ADHD nor depression. Brown's book runs to 500 pages and is, as its title suggests, on ADHD comorbidities.
Here the subject is repeated "lenfant" and then "un dépressif" (un enfant dépressif).
As I read this title, the second part is simply describing what is being meant by the first. I would use ordinary English. Repetition of the word child accentuates the proposition I read as beign put forward. What follows by way of explanation will be borne out by the article itself, or not, so you will know!
Hyperactivity is part of a range of disorders grouped under the heading ADHD, recognised and used by classic mental disorder classifications, the DSM-IV and the ICD-10, the former being the American Psychiatric Association and the latter the World health Organisation classification.
The term "hyperactive" is often used by folks like you and me, the press and elsewhere quite ordinarily. It does have specific meaning.
Never the less, in your heading I suspect the purpose of second part serves to raise a suggestion that a hyperactive child might in fact be a lively but depressed child. I would expect a title like that to head a disussion giving pointers perhaps to the possibility that a child with ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder), recogised as being "hyperactive" may in fact be suffering from depression, that the depression may even be masked by his liveliness (tonicité) or hyperactivity.
You will find out from the article whether consideration is given to one being dependent upon the other or the possiiblity that the two conditions exist, are 'comorbid'.
My basic reference for this is ADHD Cormorbidities, Handbook for ADHD Complications in Children and Adults, Thomas E. Brown, 2009, American Psychitaric publishing, (pp 100-102).
(Makes for fun bedtime reading!)
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Note added at 7 hrs (2010-04-21 01:16:21 GMT)
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The Brown book reference refers to studies where children and adolescent in the cohort presented with a range of possibilities : ADHD only, depression only, ADHD with depression, neither ADHD nor depression. Brown's book runs to 500 pages and is, as its title suggests, on ADHD comorbidities.
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a restless/agitated/over-excitable/fidgeting depressive/depression with restlessness/fidgeting/over-
excitability
"mon enfant ne tient pas en place" : Forum auFeminin - [ Translate this page ]Certains enfants sont naturellement agités. C'est le cas de l'enfant "tonique", qui fait preuve de vivacité neurologique ; sa tonicité se manifeste par ...
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bébé hyper tonique = enfant hyperactif ? - Hyperactivité, trouble ... - [ Translate this page ]16 posts - 6 authors - Last post: 11 Mar 2009
bonjour je suis maman d'un bébé de 4 mois très très tonique. Il dort peu depuis sa naissance [...]
forum.doctissimo.fr/.../hyperactif-tonique-enfant-sujet_211_1.htm - Cached - Similar
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a tonic depression
makes no sense to me either, as a native English speaker and an interpreter for psychiatrists and mental health professionals.
"mon enfant ne tient pas en place" : Forum auFeminin - [ Translate this page ]Certains enfants sont naturellement agités. C'est le cas de l'enfant "tonique", qui fait preuve de vivacité neurologique ; sa tonicité se manifeste par ...
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bébé hyper tonique = enfant hyperactif ? - Hyperactivité, trouble ... - [ Translate this page ]16 posts - 6 authors - Last post: 11 Mar 2009
bonjour je suis maman d'un bébé de 4 mois très très tonique. Il dort peu depuis sa naissance [...]
forum.doctissimo.fr/.../hyperactif-tonique-enfant-sujet_211_1.htm - Cached - Similar
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a tonic depression
makes no sense to me either, as a native English speaker and an interpreter for psychiatrists and mental health professionals.
Peer comment(s):
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Melissa McMahon
: I'd say: an agitated depressive
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Thank you, yes I think that could work nicely:)
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Reference comments
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Reference:
BTW
I though that "un dépressif" = a depressed person/a depressive
Etat-depressif.com : site sur la dépression - [ Translate this page ]Etat-depressif.com, le site de référence de la dépression. ... Que vous soyez vous même dépressif ou que vous partagiez la vie d'une personne dépressive, ...
www.etat-depressif.com/ - Cached - Similar
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I am just wondering whether “tonique” refers to muscle tonus…
Treatment of skeletal muscle disorders with cyclobenzaprine ...
Another object of the present invention is to provide a method for selectively reducing skeletal muscle tonic hyperactivity without effecting any loss in ...
www.freepatentsonline.com/3882246.html - Similar
Masseter muscle hyperactivity and myofascial pain dysfunction ...
by RC Intrieri - 1994 - Cited by 13 - Related articles
The muscle hyperactivity theory has gained considerable attention ..... that MPD patients may have greater tonic muscle activity even during pe- ...
www.springerlink.com/index/X8268H375G7K1048.pdf - Similar
ELECTROMYOGRAPHIC BIOFEEDBACK AND PERCEPTUAL MOTOR TRAINING FOR ...
by PAH Crist - 1981 - Related articles
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Muscle Twitching
It may also accompany other forms of hyperactive muscles such as cramps ... "a velocity-dependent increase in tonic stretch reflexes, where faster passive ...
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Conditions Linked to Deficiencies of Magnesium
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I though that "un dépressif" = a depressed person/a depressive
Etat-depressif.com : site sur la dépression - [ Translate this page ]Etat-depressif.com, le site de référence de la dépression. ... Que vous soyez vous même dépressif ou que vous partagiez la vie d'une personne dépressive, ...
www.etat-depressif.com/ - Cached - Similar
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Note added at 1 hr (2010-04-20 19:02:50 GMT)
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I am just wondering whether “tonique” refers to muscle tonus…
Treatment of skeletal muscle disorders with cyclobenzaprine ...
Another object of the present invention is to provide a method for selectively reducing skeletal muscle tonic hyperactivity without effecting any loss in ...
www.freepatentsonline.com/3882246.html - Similar
Masseter muscle hyperactivity and myofascial pain dysfunction ...
by RC Intrieri - 1994 - Cited by 13 - Related articles
The muscle hyperactivity theory has gained considerable attention ..... that MPD patients may have greater tonic muscle activity even during pe- ...
www.springerlink.com/index/X8268H375G7K1048.pdf - Similar
ELECTROMYOGRAPHIC BIOFEEDBACK AND PERCEPTUAL MOTOR TRAINING FOR ...
by PAH Crist - 1981 - Related articles
tempting activity, the child's muscle groups increase in tonus to force ... Electromyographic biofeedback training in hyperactivity includes ...
www.informaworld.com/index/904372288.pdf
Muscle Twitching
It may also accompany other forms of hyperactive muscles such as cramps ... "a velocity-dependent increase in tonic stretch reflexes, where faster passive ...
www.theaword.org/index.php?option... - 22 hours ago - Cached - Similar
Massage Therapy in Dance Medicine - Medical Problems of Performing ...
by M O'Rourke - 1998
... since this hyperactivity leads
Hyperactivity Disorder - Natural Supplements for Hyperactive Children
Information on Hyperactivity Disorders and Ways to Calm Hyper Behavior. ... a person is easily excitable and exhibits an abnormally high level of activity. .... Episodes of extreme depression and correspondingly
BrightSpark - Relieves hyperactivity, distractibility and ...
reduce involuntary twitching, spasms or noises (all ages). About safe homeopathic help for hyperactive and inattentive children ...
healthherbsandnutrition.com/products/brightspark.htm - United States - Cached
Conditions Linked to Deficiencies of Magnesium
... irritability, mental depression, confusion, twitching, trembling, ... disturbed and excitable patients to have abnormal (either high or low) Mg levels. ... been used successfully to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. ...
www.ctds.info/5_13_magnesium.html - Cached - Similar
BrightSpark for Hyperactivity in Children - eBay (item ...
Hyoscyamus (30C) has been known to help alleviate over-excitability, restlessness, and general disruptive
Discussion
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It appears to show that "tonic" is used in the medical sense of "muscle tone" - in other words, if I understand the article title correctly (and I'm not a medical specialist), hyperactivity is being described as a depression of muscle tone. Strictly speaking, the translation should be "a tonic depressive", but "depression" is not wrong.
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0222961707000049 -
I doubt whether "child hyperactivity and depression" is going to be an adequate rendition.
"Child hyperactivity and Depression"