Jan 30, 2008 17:57
16 yrs ago
French term
le respect est à la mesure du regard
French to English
Social Sciences
History
X y a connu l’embrasure d’une confiance nouvelle et la rencontre d’autrui, du divers et du dissemblable, dans les plans profonds où s’opèrent les métamorphoses du Vivant quand, dans le feu de l’échange, le respect est à la mesure du regard où se forgent les alliances éternelles.
This sentence-from-hell is from the biography of an Algerian historical figure who was held captive in France and then liberated by Napoleon.
Wasn't quite sure what to put in the term field, as I'm having trouble with the whole last section (from plans profonds on), making it sound remotely English.
I am not asking for a full translation by any means, but any brainstorming you care to throw at me for any part of it is sure to be a help.
TIA
This sentence-from-hell is from the biography of an Algerian historical figure who was held captive in France and then liberated by Napoleon.
Wasn't quite sure what to put in the term field, as I'm having trouble with the whole last section (from plans profonds on), making it sound remotely English.
I am not asking for a full translation by any means, but any brainstorming you care to throw at me for any part of it is sure to be a help.
TIA
Proposed translations
(English)
Proposed translations
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the respect received equates the regard bestowed
Not sure if that's the best way to say it but as I see it, the people give their respect in return for his kind regard.
I agree with Katsy on the translation of "où". I would say "when".
Maybe : "respect comes in return for regard"?
I agree with Katsy on the translation of "où". I would say "when".
Maybe : "respect comes in return for regard"?
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many, many thanks to everyone for your help with such a whopper of a passage. My final solution was most similar to Emma's answer, but you all have been most helpful."
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Nina Iordache
Romania
Romania
Works in field
Romania
Native in: Romanian (Variant: Romania) 
Works in: English to Romanian, French to English, French to Romanian, and 1 more.
le respect est montre dans la mesure ou
This is how I read it.
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Note added at 21 mins (2008-01-30 18:18:38 GMT)
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Sorry, I meant to also translate, of course:
Respect is shown as far as alliances are forged ...
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Note added at 21 mins (2008-01-30 18:18:38 GMT)
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Sorry, I meant to also translate, of course:
Respect is shown as far as alliances are forged ...
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respect is proportionate to the way/how people look at you
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Directive eurovignette : un compromis loin d’être à la mesure de l’urgence écologique. Communiqué de presse des Verts du 15 décembre 2005 ...
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Or
commensurate with..
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Directive eurovignette : un compromis loin d’être à la mesure de l’urgence écologique. Communiqué de presse des Verts du 15 décembre 2005 ...
lesverts.fr/article.php3?id_article=2516 - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
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Or
commensurate with..
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Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
poetically precise prose with... panache
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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respect is in proportion to regard
or something along these lines (a few ideas for you to play about with/combine):
respect is on a par with regard
respect comes with regard
with regard comes respect
respect and regard go together
etc...
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Note added at 30 mins (2008-01-30 18:27:51 GMT)
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regard of course meaning one's regard for another...(imo)
respect is on a par with regard
respect comes with regard
with regard comes respect
respect and regard go together
etc...
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regard of course meaning one's regard for another...(imo)
56 mins
respect is earned from admiring eyes
at those deep levels where the turning points of Existence operate when, in the heat of debate, respect is earned from admiring eyes [and where], unbreakable bonds are forged.
Like you and others there seems to me to be either one subclause too many or not enough.
Like you and others there seems to me to be either one subclause too many or not enough.
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3 hrs
regard is the measure of respect
regard is the source of respect
respect is earned through regard
regard determines the measure of respect
respect is earned through regard
regard determines the measure of respect
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Cervin
: Could you have 'regard indicates the measure of respect'?
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| agree |
Diego Metzadour
: agree!
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respect goes hand in hand with demeanour
Thanks Mara for the surrounding text!
I am still unsure as to whether 'le regard' is that of those looking at X, who then begin to trust and love him, or the way X looks around him (confidence inspring eyes), so I chose 'demeanour' as an attempt to get around that (i.e. one can just as easily say 'whose demeanour?'. I have also tried to be a little 'ronflant' myself.
for the rest of the sentence - I very humbly propose the following:
(from 'plans profonds')
at the depths where the Living (thing) is transformed, when, in the heat of the exchange, respect goes hand in hand with demeanour when eternal alliances are sealed". I just cannot put a "where" for that last "où". I hope this will inspire better proposals.....
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some other ideas for 'le regard':
respect goes hand in hand with PERCEPTION/VISION or maybe even DISCERNMENT or APPREHENSION
I am still unsure as to whether 'le regard' is that of those looking at X, who then begin to trust and love him, or the way X looks around him (confidence inspring eyes), so I chose 'demeanour' as an attempt to get around that (i.e. one can just as easily say 'whose demeanour?'. I have also tried to be a little 'ronflant' myself.
for the rest of the sentence - I very humbly propose the following:
(from 'plans profonds')
at the depths where the Living (thing) is transformed, when, in the heat of the exchange, respect goes hand in hand with demeanour when eternal alliances are sealed". I just cannot put a "where" for that last "où". I hope this will inspire better proposals.....
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some other ideas for 'le regard':
respect goes hand in hand with PERCEPTION/VISION or maybe even DISCERNMENT or APPREHENSION
6 hrs
the measure of respect is in your manner of looking at me
I am attempting to interpret his feelings
2 days 4 hrs
a look of respect is the foundation of lasting alliances
Showed my French housemate this phrase for his thoughts. He puzzled over it for a while and then he said he thought the writer was drunk to come up with something like this! Good luck!
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The way I understand the phrase is as follows: if you look at someone with respect then lasting friendships/alliances are formed.
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The way I understand the phrase is as follows: if you look at someone with respect then lasting friendships/alliances are formed.
Note from asker:
| I am in full agreement with your housemate ;-) |
Discussion
Son activité entre Orient et Occident a semé en France, ici et là, les indices d’une personnalité solaire – à Toulon puis à Pau, ses premières geôles, plus tard à Paris, dans le cercle amical du Prince Napoléon.
X y a connu l’embrasure d’une confiance nouvelle et la rencontre d’autrui, du divers et du dissemblable, dans les plans profonds où s’opèrent les métamorphoses du Vivant quand, dans le feu de l’échange, le respect est à la mesure du regard où se forgent les alliances éternelles.
Et voici que les petits commerçants, vignerons, femmes, hommes et enfants, étonnés d’avoir chez eux un grand Prince arabe, ont aimé leur Émir.