Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
Profesionales
English translation:
Associates, Assessors
Added to glossary by
William Pairman
Oct 2, 2020 05:27
3 yrs ago
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Spanish term
Spain
Fast, accurate business & law specialist
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English
Profesionales
Spanish to English
Bus/Financial
Business/Commerce (general)
From the "definition of terms" section in a Spanish company's Code of Conduct...
Profesionales: todos los empleados, colaboradores autónomos, administradores, directivos y Colaboradores del Grupo XXX.
Never been keen on the simple translation "professionals" and normally go with "employees" in sentences like "XXX emplea 100 profesionales" - "XXX has 100 employees". That doesn't work here though as the term is used to mean employees and a load of other people.
I'm tempted to use "associates" and go with "Associates: All employees, self-employed workers, directors, managers and XXX Group affiliiates", with affiliate used in an individual not company sense, as per the OED: "A ***person*** or organization officially attached to a larger body".
Is that reasonable or do people have any other suggestions?
Profesionales: todos los empleados, colaboradores autónomos, administradores, directivos y Colaboradores del Grupo XXX.
Never been keen on the simple translation "professionals" and normally go with "employees" in sentences like "XXX emplea 100 profesionales" - "XXX has 100 employees". That doesn't work here though as the term is used to mean employees and a load of other people.
I'm tempted to use "associates" and go with "Associates: All employees, self-employed workers, directors, managers and XXX Group affiliiates", with affiliate used in an individual not company sense, as per the OED: "A ***person*** or organization officially attached to a larger body".
Is that reasonable or do people have any other suggestions?
Proposed translations
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| 3 -2 | Assessors |
Liliana Garfunkel
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| 4 +6 | Personnel |
Robert Carter
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| 4 +2 | Professionals |
neilmac
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| 4 | Fellow workers |
Andrew Bramhall
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Proposed translations
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8 hrs
Liliana Garfunkel
Argentina
Argentina
Native in Spanish
Argentina
Reliable. Computing skills.
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
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4
Selected
Assessors
Another option.
Peer comment(s):
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Andrew Bramhall
: Lacks Art,(Ms) Garfunkel.
16 mins
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Thanks, Oliver. And no chain of restaurants either:)
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Robert Carter
: I'm confused because this doesn't bear any relation to the query. Are you sure you're posting this for the term "profesionales"?
1 hr
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I meant assessor as in adviser, consultant, but maybe I'm wrong.
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AllegroTrans
: Nothing in the source text supports your suggestion
2 hrs
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I meant assessor as in adviser, consultant, but maybe I'm wrong.
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Yvonne Gallagher
: can't see how this translates the term here?
21 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks everybody, great answers. I stuck with "Associates" in the end and the client was happy with it, but I think "assessors" would also have worked well"
58 mins
Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Flair and accuracy tailored to your text
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
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18
Fellow workers
'Fellow workers and associates' could cover it.
Peer comment(s):
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Yvonne Gallagher
: not the right register and doesn't "cover it"
1 day 5 hrs
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+6
1 hr
Robert Carter
Mexico
Mexico
Native in English
Specializes in field
Mexico
Translating full-time since 1998
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
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212
Personnel
I think this covers both regular company employees and independent contractors.
"External Personnel means individuals acting on behalf of an Approved Subcontractor, including employees, consultants, individual independent contractors, officers, directors, volunteers and agents of the Approved Subcontractor."
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/external-personnel
"External Personnel means individuals acting on behalf of an Approved Subcontractor, including employees, consultants, individual independent contractors, officers, directors, volunteers and agents of the Approved Subcontractor."
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/external-personnel
Peer comment(s):
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Tomas Brogan (X)
36 mins
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Thanks, Tomas.
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AllegroTrans
: Good umbrella term which fits context perfectly
4 hrs
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Thanks, Chris.
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philgoddard
6 hrs
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Thanks, Phil.
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| agree |
Antonella Perazzoni
7 hrs
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Thanks, Antonella.
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| agree |
patinba
10 hrs
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Thanks, Pat.
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Thomas Walker
12 hrs
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Thanks, Tom.
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Yvonne Gallagher
: I think personnel refers to a company's own employees, not to "colaboradores autónomos..." Note your link is EXTERNAL personnel
1 day 4 hrs
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Professionals
While I share the askers reticence about the literal translation, and agree that Spanish speakers tend to over-use the term, I don't think there are any better alternatives (partners/collaborators/colleagues/associates...)
Whether you are keen on it or not, it's the term they use and define, so I'd simply go with that. As they say "the customer is always right".
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Profesionals: all employees, freelancers, administrators, directors and Collaborators working with Grupo XXX.
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Note added at 1 hr (2020-10-02 06:30:54 GMT)
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Professionals: all employees, freelancers, administrators, directors and Collaborators working with Grupo XXX.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2020-10-02 09:21:18 GMT)
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Although I'm not going to take issue with Robert's suggestion of "personnel", I do wonder how we would approach the singular of that particular option.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2020-10-02 09:22:19 GMT)
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Nor do I perceive any virtue in replacing one word by three, but again, I'm not posting any disagrees.
Whether you are keen on it or not, it's the term they use and define, so I'd simply go with that. As they say "the customer is always right".
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Note added at 1 hr (2020-10-02 06:30:33 GMT)
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Profesionals: all employees, freelancers, administrators, directors and Collaborators working with Grupo XXX.
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Note added at 1 hr (2020-10-02 06:30:54 GMT)
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Professionals: all employees, freelancers, administrators, directors and Collaborators working with Grupo XXX.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2020-10-02 09:21:18 GMT)
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Although I'm not going to take issue with Robert's suggestion of "personnel", I do wonder how we would approach the singular of that particular option.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2020-10-02 09:22:19 GMT)
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Nor do I perceive any virtue in replacing one word by three, but again, I'm not posting any disagrees.
Peer comment(s):
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María Perales
38 mins
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Yay! I was expecting brickbats because the asker said he didn't like it :-)
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EirTranslations
1 hr
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Cheers :-)
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AllegroTrans
: Even though this is a pefectly correct translation, I find that SP and EN often use the word with a different nuance and in this case I don't see all of a company's personnel being professionals in the sense that EN uses the word
10 hrs
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OK, but they define the term : "Profesionales: todos los empleados,....
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