Mar 13, 2020 23:28
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заградительные мины
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в списке необходимой к поставке аммуниции:
заградительные мины
Правильно ли я понимаю, что это обычные мины, которые использовались на минных полях?
Спасибо заранее.
заградительные мины
Правильно ли я понимаю, что это обычные мины, которые использовались на минных полях?
Спасибо заранее.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | S-mines / fragmentation mines / jumping mines |
Michael Korovkin
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| 3 | protective minefield naval mines |
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
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| 3 | closure / barrier mines |
Pavel Altukhov
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Proposed translations
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Michael Korovkin
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S-mines / fragmentation mines / jumping mines
S stands for shrapnel
Hi, Angela
Your general understanding is correct: it's a land mine.
"заградительные" here is not intended in a sense that they are cordoning off some sea bay, but in a sense of their ability to provide "дополнительный заградительный огонь".
Further, we are talking about antiparsonnel mines (not antitank: antitank are never fragmentation). Those are of two basic types: blast mines and fragmentation mines. They jump up and blow up at approximately 1 meter height, releasing lethal fragments.
In Russian, their official full name is ОЗМ Осколочная Заградительная Мина. During the WWII, they were fixed, but since before the Afghan war they can be mobile and guided (a long story:)).
So, in Russian military slang these ОЗМs are also called - correspondingly, on the increasing level of obscenity: мина-лягушка, прыгающая смерть and прыгающий п....ц or ПП.
In English, the nomenclature is more Ghertrude Steinean: a mine is a mine is a mine, hence there's no equivalent to заградительные: they simply call them the way I put it or, more colloquially, jumping mines, frog mines and Bouncing Betty.
Be it what it may, I bet the full name of what you're translating is, as I said, Осколочная Заградительная Мина.
I'm writing from experience with this material (and, long-long time ago, materiel) but I'm sure there would be tonnes on it on the 'Net. I'm expecting an urgent call; can't look now :(
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Note added at 1 day 10 hrs (2020-03-15 10:14:11 GMT) Post-grading
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Mind how you walk :))))
Hi, Angela
Your general understanding is correct: it's a land mine.
"заградительные" here is not intended in a sense that they are cordoning off some sea bay, but in a sense of their ability to provide "дополнительный заградительный огонь".
Further, we are talking about antiparsonnel mines (not antitank: antitank are never fragmentation). Those are of two basic types: blast mines and fragmentation mines. They jump up and blow up at approximately 1 meter height, releasing lethal fragments.
In Russian, their official full name is ОЗМ Осколочная Заградительная Мина. During the WWII, they were fixed, but since before the Afghan war they can be mobile and guided (a long story:)).
So, in Russian military slang these ОЗМs are also called - correspondingly, on the increasing level of obscenity: мина-лягушка, прыгающая смерть and прыгающий п....ц or ПП.
In English, the nomenclature is more Ghertrude Steinean: a mine is a mine is a mine, hence there's no equivalent to заградительные: they simply call them the way I put it or, more colloquially, jumping mines, frog mines and Bouncing Betty.
Be it what it may, I bet the full name of what you're translating is, as I said, Осколочная Заградительная Мина.
I'm writing from experience with this material (and, long-long time ago, materiel) but I'm sure there would be tonnes on it on the 'Net. I'm expecting an urgent call; can't look now :(
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Note added at 1 day 10 hrs (2020-03-15 10:14:11 GMT) Post-grading
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Mind how you walk :))))
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
The Misha
: That would all be nice and good,Michael, if they were indeen NOT sea mines,and even if they were NOT,antitank rather than antipersonnel mines (which is even less likely) since it was never a very common,let alone successful practice to plant those on bchs
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Спасибочки! Неее, тогда они не назывались бы заградительными или только заградительными.. Они бы были морскими, противотанковыми, и т.п.
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Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
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protective minefield naval mines
protective minefield: A minefield laid in friendly territorial waters to protect ports, harbors, anchorages, coasts, or coastal routes.
defensive minefield: A minefield laid in international waters or international straits with the declared intention of controlling shipping in defense of sea communications.
offensive minefield: A minefield laid in enemy territorial waters or waters under enemy control.
https://blog.usni.org/posts/2019/12/02/the-moor-pedo-a-strat...
A naval mine is a self-contained explosive device placed in water to damage or destroy surface ships or submarines. Unlike depth charges, mines are deposited and left to wait until they are triggered by the approach of, or contact with, any vessel. Naval mines can be used offensively, to hamper enemy shipping movements or lock vessels into a harbour; or defensively, to protect friendly vessels and create "safe" zones. Mines allow the minelaying force commander to concentrate warships or defensive assets in mine-free areas giving the adversary three choices: undertake an expensive and time-consuming minesweeping effort, accept the casualties of challenging the minefield, or use the unmined waters where the greatest concentration of enemy firepower will be encountered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine
defensive minefield: A minefield laid in international waters or international straits with the declared intention of controlling shipping in defense of sea communications.
offensive minefield: A minefield laid in enemy territorial waters or waters under enemy control.
https://blog.usni.org/posts/2019/12/02/the-moor-pedo-a-strat...
A naval mine is a self-contained explosive device placed in water to damage or destroy surface ships or submarines. Unlike depth charges, mines are deposited and left to wait until they are triggered by the approach of, or contact with, any vessel. Naval mines can be used offensively, to hamper enemy shipping movements or lock vessels into a harbour; or defensively, to protect friendly vessels and create "safe" zones. Mines allow the minelaying force commander to concentrate warships or defensive assets in mine-free areas giving the adversary three choices: undertake an expensive and time-consuming minesweeping effort, accept the casualties of challenging the minefield, or use the unmined waters where the greatest concentration of enemy firepower will be encountered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine
12 hrs
Pavel Altukhov
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closure / barrier mines
n/a
Peer comment(s):
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The Misha
: Neither of these is a commonly used military term, and they are confusing too - except, perhaps, in the sense that they provide closure to all of one's earthly accounts:)
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Discussion
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Some are not even proximity triggered, as most of the older ones, but pressure– triggered (like the blast ones): it sits in the sand, you step on it, and it jumps out.
It's not the point but the fact that the names do not coincide in different languages (i.e. презерватив).
ru.wikipedia.org › wiki › ОЗМ-72 — осколочная заградительная мина — противопехотная выпрыгивающая мина кругового поражения.
А то идите в Мультитран, где полно "common sense", и переводите это как "barrage mines", и прочий нонсенс. Это - технический перевод, и специфический термин. Здесь домыслам не место. И не вводите ребенка в заблуждение, переводя "тещин язык", как "tongue for the mother-in-law" or worse "mother-in-law language":))
https://www.historyonthenet.com/mines-used-in-d-day
Поэтому нужно найти обтекаемый термин, который не будет слишком конкретным.
Теперь вопрос - это наземные или морские мины. :))