Nov 12, 2004 16:13
19 yrs ago
Hebrew term
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MAZKIRUT METZUMTZEMET מזכירות מצומצמת
Hebrew to English
Social Sciences
Management
This is obviously the small body within a larger group. But I am having a hard time finding a short definition to fit into a table to describe it. Any suggestions?
THNAKS
THNAKS
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | Skeleton administration |
ldarbal
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| 4 | skeleton staff |
Kapiloff
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| 4 | Inner board |
haymovie (X)
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| 4 -1 | Limited office |
Tal Ganani (X)
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| 3 | Core secretariat |
Eynat
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Proposed translations
-1
3 mins
Hebrew term (edited):
MAZKIRUT METZUMTZEMET ����� ����
Limited office
Declined
Assuming this refers to an office with a more limited capacity/workload.
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Note added at 5 mins (2004-11-12 16:18:57 GMT)
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\"Narrow office\" as it refers to a select staff within a larger body
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Note added at 5 mins (2004-11-12 16:18:57 GMT)
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\"Narrow office\" as it refers to a select staff within a larger body
Comment: "Does not reflect the kind of administrative body this is iin relation to a board, for example."
7 hrs
Hebrew term (edited):
MAZKIRUT METZUMTZEMET ����� ����
Core secretariat
Declined
More context might help.
Comment: "Does not reflect the kind of administrative body this is iin relation to a board, for example."
1 day 19 hrs
Hebrew term (edited):
MAZKIRUT METZUMTZEMET ����� ����
Skeleton administration
Declined
a samll administration, or a nominal/limited/token/modest administration
Comment: "CLose but the term "skeleton" here denotes a pared-down administration, not a relation to a board."
1 hr
Hebrew term (edited):
MAZKIRUT METZUMTZEMET ����� ����
skeleton staff
Declined
Paired down office or managerial staff.
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Note added at 1 hr 25 mins (2004-11-12 17:39:04 GMT)
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or skeleton crew
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Note added at 1 day 12 hrs 46 mins (2004-11-14 04:59:52 GMT)
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I agree with Eynat that more context would help.
While Mazkirut is not literally managerial, the Mazkirut usually functions as the central office from which an enterprise in managed. In Israel, when one goes to the Mazkirut of a corporation or a kibbutz one would expect to find the Hanhala -- management -- sitting there also.
However, my feeling is that the implication of secretariat (the literal translation of Mazkirut) in common US usage implies the central functioning body of an international organization rather than the essential administrative elements of a business office.
It is not clear if METZUMTZEMET is being used here in the sense of reduced or essential.
If the latter, Perhaps KEY ADMIN[ISTRATION] might fit.
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Note added at 1 day 12 hrs 52 mins (2004-11-14 05:05:28 GMT)
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or Key Management -- again this goes with my opinion that a function of the Mazkirut in general is to be the seat of management.
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Note added at 1 day 13 hrs 2 mins (2004-11-14 05:15:47 GMT)
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After posting the above -- I realized that Key Management in today\'s computer society often refers to cryptological security. The context that I had in mind can be found in this example of the listing of Key Management: http://www.alliancedent.com/key_management.htm
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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs 48 mins (2004-11-14 16:02:02 GMT)
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After posting the above -- I realized that Key Management in today\'s computer society often refers to cryptological security. The context that I had in mind can be found in this example of the listing of Key Management: http://www.alliancedent.com/key_management.htm
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Note added at 1 hr 25 mins (2004-11-12 17:39:04 GMT)
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or skeleton crew
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Note added at 1 day 12 hrs 46 mins (2004-11-14 04:59:52 GMT)
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I agree with Eynat that more context would help.
While Mazkirut is not literally managerial, the Mazkirut usually functions as the central office from which an enterprise in managed. In Israel, when one goes to the Mazkirut of a corporation or a kibbutz one would expect to find the Hanhala -- management -- sitting there also.
However, my feeling is that the implication of secretariat (the literal translation of Mazkirut) in common US usage implies the central functioning body of an international organization rather than the essential administrative elements of a business office.
It is not clear if METZUMTZEMET is being used here in the sense of reduced or essential.
If the latter, Perhaps KEY ADMIN[ISTRATION] might fit.
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Note added at 1 day 12 hrs 52 mins (2004-11-14 05:05:28 GMT)
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or Key Management -- again this goes with my opinion that a function of the Mazkirut in general is to be the seat of management.
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Note added at 1 day 13 hrs 2 mins (2004-11-14 05:15:47 GMT)
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After posting the above -- I realized that Key Management in today\'s computer society often refers to cryptological security. The context that I had in mind can be found in this example of the listing of Key Management: http://www.alliancedent.com/key_management.htm
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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs 48 mins (2004-11-14 16:02:02 GMT)
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After posting the above -- I realized that Key Management in today\'s computer society often refers to cryptological security. The context that I had in mind can be found in this example of the listing of Key Management: http://www.alliancedent.com/key_management.htm
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Baruch Avidar
9 mins
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| disagree |
Eynat
: Mazkirut is not managerial staff, and the idea is that it has special functions, not that it is pared down. It might be ADMINISTRATIVE staff, but not managerial.
6 hrs
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Comment: "This is not a "staffing" issue, but hirarchy."
281 days
Hebrew term (edited):
MAZKIRUT METZUMTZEMET ����� ����
Inner board
1. I prefer board in US English to secretariat, which implies a larger, clerical staff.
2. If the issue is hierarchy at this point less than the literal 'limited' number of people that sit on it, how about a less literal alternative: 'executive board'
2. If the issue is hierarchy at this point less than the literal 'limited' number of people that sit on it, how about a less literal alternative: 'executive board'
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