Dec 29, 2005 19:07
18 yrs ago
German term
Not a translator
Hochstift
German to English
Social Sciences
Religion
actually German to English. I have found a translation, "bishopric," but I am not completely at ease with it. If it is correct, I would appreciate confirmation. If not, any suggestions would be welcome.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | palatinate |
Lancashireman
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| 4 | bishopric |
Dirgis (X)
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| 3 | diocese |
Kim Metzger
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| 3 | archbishopric |
Jonathan MacKerron
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| 1 | Extra info added by the asker |
Kim Metzger
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Change log
Dec 29, 2005 19:08: Kim Metzger changed "Language pair" from "English to German" to "German to English"
Dec 29, 2005 19:11: Kim Metzger changed "Language pair" from "German to English" to "English to German"
Dec 29, 2005 20:59: Brie Vernier changed "Language pair" from "English to German" to "German to English"
Dec 29, 2005 21:29: Johanna Timm, PhD changed "Term asked" from "hochstift" to "Hochstift"
Proposed translations
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palatinate
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hochstift
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Durham,_England_(Angl...
http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/mirror2/titlefaq.htm
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/David Edward Jenki...
prince-bishop palatinate
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Note added at 18 mins (2005-12-29 19:26:02 GMT)
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There is a resemblance to the status of the Bishop of Durham in England who ruled as a Prince Bishop. To access this link, please attach (Anglican)after:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Durham,_England_
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Note added at 4 hrs 53 mins (2005-12-30 00:00:30 GMT)
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Two more options expressing the ‘political’ aspect (as touched on in JM’s ‘neutral’ comment below)
prince-bishopric:
Prince-bishoprics were most common in the feudally fragmentarised Holy Roman Empire
Fürstbischof zu Ermland (in German; a Hochstift since 1243
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince-Bishop
ecclesiastical principality:
A Hochstift was a former ecclesiastical principality of a bishopric.
http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/wiki/Unterfranken_(Lower_Franco...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Durham,_England_(Angl...
http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/mirror2/titlefaq.htm
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/David Edward Jenki...
prince-bishop palatinate
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Note added at 18 mins (2005-12-29 19:26:02 GMT)
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There is a resemblance to the status of the Bishop of Durham in England who ruled as a Prince Bishop. To access this link, please attach (Anglican)after:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Durham,_England_
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Note added at 4 hrs 53 mins (2005-12-30 00:00:30 GMT)
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Two more options expressing the ‘political’ aspect (as touched on in JM’s ‘neutral’ comment below)
prince-bishopric:
Prince-bishoprics were most common in the feudally fragmentarised Holy Roman Empire
Fürstbischof zu Ermland (in German; a Hochstift since 1243
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince-Bishop
ecclesiastical principality:
A Hochstift was a former ecclesiastical principality of a bishopric.
http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/wiki/Unterfranken_(Lower_Franco...
Peer comment(s):
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Jonathan MacKerron
: isn't this more of a political context than a religious one??
11 mins
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Yes, Jonathan. This is my reading of the de.wikipedia writeup (first link).
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2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "This is a "mouthful," but I think it most closely approximates the meaning of the text."
4 mins
Kim Metzger
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75
diocese
Here's another possibility:
Endre Both: Hochstift, das (früher): (Erz)bistum, Zentralverwaltung eines (Erz)bistums
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/178957
Endre Both: Hochstift, das (früher): (Erz)bistum, Zentralverwaltung eines (Erz)bistums
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/178957
16 mins
Jonathan MacKerron
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23
archbishopric
according to Flügler's 1893 dictionary.
Webster for archbishopric:
1 : the jurisdiction or office of an archbishop
2 : the see or province over which an archbishop exercises authority
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Note added at 19 mins (2005-12-29 19:26:44 GMT)
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but according to the 1920 Muret-Sanders also "(grand) Chapter (of a cathedral) Hochstiftkirche=cathedral" so we really do need more context to make any educated guess here!!
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Note added at 20 mins (2005-12-29 19:28:14 GMT)
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grosser Duden = "Hochstift, das (früher): [Erz]bistum; Zentralverwaltung eines [Erz]bistums."
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Note added at 39 mins (2005-12-29 19:47:18 GMT)
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Thieme-Preusser Dictionary 1883 = "arch-bischopric"
Webster for archbishopric:
1 : the jurisdiction or office of an archbishop
2 : the see or province over which an archbishop exercises authority
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Note added at 19 mins (2005-12-29 19:26:44 GMT)
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but according to the 1920 Muret-Sanders also "(grand) Chapter (of a cathedral) Hochstiftkirche=cathedral" so we really do need more context to make any educated guess here!!
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Note added at 20 mins (2005-12-29 19:28:14 GMT)
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grosser Duden = "Hochstift, das (früher): [Erz]bistum; Zentralverwaltung eines [Erz]bistums."
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Note added at 39 mins (2005-12-29 19:47:18 GMT)
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Thieme-Preusser Dictionary 1883 = "arch-bischopric"
2 hrs
Kim Metzger
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Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
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75
Extra info added by the asker
I'm just adding the extra info the asker was unable to add in the Add the Note box because it exceeds the number of allowable words.
I thank those who have responded and apologize for not submitting a clearer context originally. Since I do not know how to add something to my original question, I am starting all over with the sentence:
"der Jesuit Christoph Brouwer schuf mit seinen antiquarischen Werken zur Geschichte der Hochstifte Fulda und Trier die Muster einer modernen kirchlich-klösterlichen Altertumskunde." Many thanks
I thank those who have responded and apologize for not submitting a clearer context originally. Since I do not know how to add something to my original question, I am starting all over with the sentence:
"der Jesuit Christoph Brouwer schuf mit seinen antiquarischen Werken zur Geschichte der Hochstifte Fulda und Trier die Muster einer modernen kirchlich-klösterlichen Altertumskunde." Many thanks
13 hrs
bishopric
See also shogi.proz.com/kudoz/178957
"Ein Hochstift bezeichnet den Kirchenbesitz und die Liegenschaften eines Bischofs.
Die Hochstifte waren bis zum Untergang des Heiligen Römischen Reiches Deutscher Nation die weltlichen Landesherrschaften der Bischöfe in ihrer Eigenschaft als weltliche Reichsfürsten. Der Begriff des Hochstifts ist zu unterscheiden vom Bistum, in dem die Bischöfe die geistliche Oberleitung innehatten.
Die weltlichen Fürstentümer der Erzbischöfe hießen Erzstifte." (Link 1)
Googling hochstift bishopric yields 150 links
www.vdiest.nl/Europa/Germany/niedersachsen.htm
www.obermeier.us/Lippe/History.html and many more
"Ein Hochstift bezeichnet den Kirchenbesitz und die Liegenschaften eines Bischofs.
Die Hochstifte waren bis zum Untergang des Heiligen Römischen Reiches Deutscher Nation die weltlichen Landesherrschaften der Bischöfe in ihrer Eigenschaft als weltliche Reichsfürsten. Der Begriff des Hochstifts ist zu unterscheiden vom Bistum, in dem die Bischöfe die geistliche Oberleitung innehatten.
Die weltlichen Fürstentümer der Erzbischöfe hießen Erzstifte." (Link 1)
Googling hochstift bishopric yields 150 links
www.vdiest.nl/Europa/Germany/niedersachsen.htm
www.obermeier.us/Lippe/History.html and many more
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