Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Kastenhalslauten
English translation:
necked box lutes
Added to glossary by
Colin Rowe
May 15, 2009 10:35
15 yrs ago
German term
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Kastenhalslauten
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Music
its an instrument grouping, translation of the term Cordophonen (from the Greek) into German: guitars, lutes, violins etc. belong to it, but I can't find an equivalent in English - does anybody know?
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necked lutes
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necked_bowl_lutes
"chordophones" also exists, but is a broader category than you describe (it also includes piano, haprsichord, etc.).
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chordophone
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Sorry, "harpsichord"
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Wiki:
A Chordophone is any musical instrument which makes sound by way of a vibrating string or strings stretched between two points. It is one of the four main divisions of instruments in the original Hornbostel-Sachs scheme of musical instrument classification.
What most westerners[citation needed] would call string instruments are classified as chordophones, violins, guitars, lyres, harps, for some examples. However, the word also embraces instruments that many westerners would hesitate to call string instruments, such as the musical bow and the piano (which, although sometimes called a string instrument, is also called a keyboard instrument and a percussion instrument).
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Also Wiki:
This is a list of instruments by Hornbostel-Sachs number, covering those instruments that are classified under 321.321 under that system. These instruments may be known as necked bowl lutes.
3: Instruments in which sound is produced by one or more vibrating strings (chordophones, string instruments)
32: Instruments in which the resonator and string bearer are physically united and can not be separated without destroying the instrument
321: Instruments in which the strings run in a plane parallel to the sound table
321.3: Instruments in which the string bearer is a plain handle (handle lutes)
321.32: Instrument in which the handle is attached to, or carved from, the resonator, like a neck (necked lutes)
321.321: Instrument whose body is shaped like a bowl (necked bowl lutes)
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Correction:
321.322 Kasten-Halslauten oder Halsguitarren - NB. Lauten, deren Korpus aus Spänen in Nachahmung der Schale zusammengesetzt ist, rechnen zu den Schalenlauten. - Violine, Gambe, Gitarre.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornbostel-Sachs-Systematik
321.322: Instrument whose body is shaped like a box (**necked box lutes**)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necked_box_lute
Should be "necked box lutes".
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"Necked bowl lutes" (321.321) would be "Schalen-Halslauten" in German.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necked_bowl_lutes
"chordophones" also exists, but is a broader category than you describe (it also includes piano, haprsichord, etc.).
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chordophone
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Note added at 58 mins (2009-05-15 11:33:38 GMT)
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Sorry, "harpsichord"
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Note added at 59 mins (2009-05-15 11:34:53 GMT)
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Wiki:
A Chordophone is any musical instrument which makes sound by way of a vibrating string or strings stretched between two points. It is one of the four main divisions of instruments in the original Hornbostel-Sachs scheme of musical instrument classification.
What most westerners[citation needed] would call string instruments are classified as chordophones, violins, guitars, lyres, harps, for some examples. However, the word also embraces instruments that many westerners would hesitate to call string instruments, such as the musical bow and the piano (which, although sometimes called a string instrument, is also called a keyboard instrument and a percussion instrument).
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Also Wiki:
This is a list of instruments by Hornbostel-Sachs number, covering those instruments that are classified under 321.321 under that system. These instruments may be known as necked bowl lutes.
3: Instruments in which sound is produced by one or more vibrating strings (chordophones, string instruments)
32: Instruments in which the resonator and string bearer are physically united and can not be separated without destroying the instrument
321: Instruments in which the strings run in a plane parallel to the sound table
321.3: Instruments in which the string bearer is a plain handle (handle lutes)
321.32: Instrument in which the handle is attached to, or carved from, the resonator, like a neck (necked lutes)
321.321: Instrument whose body is shaped like a bowl (necked bowl lutes)
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Correction:
321.322 Kasten-Halslauten oder Halsguitarren - NB. Lauten, deren Korpus aus Spänen in Nachahmung der Schale zusammengesetzt ist, rechnen zu den Schalenlauten. - Violine, Gambe, Gitarre.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornbostel-Sachs-Systematik
321.322: Instrument whose body is shaped like a box (**necked box lutes**)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necked_box_lute
Should be "necked box lutes".
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"Necked bowl lutes" (321.321) would be "Schalen-Halslauten" in German.
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Barbara Wiebking
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Erik Freitag
: Necked box lutes, exactly. Your first answers don't fit, because the asker's explanation of the source term is wrong.//Wow, that's a case of "seeing what you want to see". "Bowl" and "box" are so close to each other that I've overlooked that!
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Thanks. // After further research, I have discovered that it should actually be "necked *box* lutes" (321.322), rather than "necked bowl lutes" (321.321) – see links given above under "Correction".
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Discussion
the definition you give is completely wrong. Neither is "Kastenhalslaute" a translation of "chordophone", nor are classic lutes and violins "Kastenhalslauten". They are chordophones, though.