Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Kopistenabschrift
English translation:
copyist´s transcription
Added to glossary by
Chris Rowson (X)
Sep 20, 2006 08:33
17 yrs ago
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German term
Chris Rowson (X)
Kopistenabschrift
German to English
Art/Literary
Music
"Sie spielten in Bonn offenbar aus einer heute verschollenen Kopistenabschrift, die zu diesem Zeitpunkt bereits existiert haben muss, da aus dem Manuskript der nachkomponierten Sätze nicht musiziert werden kann."
This is referring to Schumann´s third violin sonata, which has a complicated history which leads to the conclusion that they could not have been playing from an autograph manuscript.
So they were playing from: what? - a copyist´s copy? A copy made by a copyist? Just "a copy"? - but the German expressly refers to a Kopist, and there is some evidence of who it was, and of him being paid for it.
This is referring to Schumann´s third violin sonata, which has a complicated history which leads to the conclusion that they could not have been playing from an autograph manuscript.
So they were playing from: what? - a copyist´s copy? A copy made by a copyist? Just "a copy"? - but the German expressly refers to a Kopist, and there is some evidence of who it was, and of him being paid for it.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 2 | copyist duplicate |
Jonathan MacKerron
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| 3 +3 | copyist’s manuscript |
M_a_r_i_n_a
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| 3 | amanuensis |
Henry Schroeder
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Proposed translations
47 mins
Jonathan MacKerron
Native in English
Retired as of Jan 2019!
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
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copyist duplicate
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Note added at 57 mins (2006-09-20 09:31:45 GMT)
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"copyist('s) transcription" gets some relevant googles
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Note added at 57 mins (2006-09-20 09:31:45 GMT)
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"copyist('s) transcription" gets some relevant googles
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks very much to all, particularly Marina for your thorough exposition. I found, though, that the formulation “copyist´s transcription” conveyed just the right meaning in both the sentences where the term occurred."
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copyist’s manuscript
copyist’s manuscript
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Note added at 26 mins (2006-09-20 09:00:11 GMT)
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=fr&q=Kopistenabschrift copyi...
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-20 09:43:50 GMT)
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As Brigitte says, the composer used to have a manuscript. The copyist with transcript it (that is why it is rarely called "copyist's transcript), then the composer would do some corrections (revidierte Abschrift or überprüfte Abschrift, ie a copyist's manuscript bearing autograph corrections/markings by the composer).
Copyists' Manuscripts
Copyists' manuscripts are like original composers' manuscripts in the sense that each score is a unique handwritten document. In some cases the composer's manuscript may be lost and a contemporary copyist's manuscript is the earliest surviving source or the source most closely associated with the intentions of the composer. Such manuscripts may also predate the earliest printed edition and can be consulted to determine possible errors resulting from the publication process. Up through the 19th century, scores and parts were frequently transmitted in manuscript copies when printed versions were not available. This distribution of manuscript copies can document the migration and variant performance practices for a piece of music. For example, the collections of opera houses throughout Europe contain many manuscript scores and parts for the standard repertoire of the 18th and 19th centuries. Performances at each opera house usually incorporated revisions or alterations that suited the tastes and circumstances of the local region. These alterations were notated into the manuscript scores and parts by means of pasteovers, cuts and supplemental inserts. The manuscripts in a provincial opera house could vary substantially from the manuscripts for the same opera in the city where it was first produced. In this respect, differing manuscript sources for a single work represent different performances and are valuable for research on the extent of a composer's popularity and performance practices in general.
Like original composer's manuscripts, copyists' manuscripts are rare and very expensive. Collections of these manuscripts are also located predominantly in major national libraries or special private collections. The sources and methods for locating copyists' manuscripts are the same as those discussed in relation to original composers' manuscripts.
(source: http://music.lib.byu.edu/FAQ-MusicScores.html)
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Note added at 26 mins (2006-09-20 09:00:11 GMT)
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=fr&q=Kopistenabschrift copyi...
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-20 09:43:50 GMT)
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As Brigitte says, the composer used to have a manuscript. The copyist with transcript it (that is why it is rarely called "copyist's transcript), then the composer would do some corrections (revidierte Abschrift or überprüfte Abschrift, ie a copyist's manuscript bearing autograph corrections/markings by the composer).
Copyists' Manuscripts
Copyists' manuscripts are like original composers' manuscripts in the sense that each score is a unique handwritten document. In some cases the composer's manuscript may be lost and a contemporary copyist's manuscript is the earliest surviving source or the source most closely associated with the intentions of the composer. Such manuscripts may also predate the earliest printed edition and can be consulted to determine possible errors resulting from the publication process. Up through the 19th century, scores and parts were frequently transmitted in manuscript copies when printed versions were not available. This distribution of manuscript copies can document the migration and variant performance practices for a piece of music. For example, the collections of opera houses throughout Europe contain many manuscript scores and parts for the standard repertoire of the 18th and 19th centuries. Performances at each opera house usually incorporated revisions or alterations that suited the tastes and circumstances of the local region. These alterations were notated into the manuscript scores and parts by means of pasteovers, cuts and supplemental inserts. The manuscripts in a provincial opera house could vary substantially from the manuscripts for the same opera in the city where it was first produced. In this respect, differing manuscript sources for a single work represent different performances and are valuable for research on the extent of a composer's popularity and performance practices in general.
Like original composer's manuscripts, copyists' manuscripts are rare and very expensive. Collections of these manuscripts are also located predominantly in major national libraries or special private collections. The sources and methods for locating copyists' manuscripts are the same as those discussed in relation to original composers' manuscripts.
(source: http://music.lib.byu.edu/FAQ-MusicScores.html)
1 hr
Henry Schroeder
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
20 years of experience, certified, ATA
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
Works in: German to English, Russian to English, English
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