Aufn. ZI

English translation: Admission No. / Aufnahme Geschäftszahl

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German term or phrase:	Aufn. ZI.
English translation:	Admission No. / Aufnahme Geschäftszahl
Entered by:	Shane London

13:34 Sep 14, 2005

German to English translations [PRO]
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German term or phrase: Aufn. ZI

Betr.: Aufn. ZI 237/27

This is from an Austrian legal statement about the given names of a child born in a hospital. It is signed by the parents. I guess the Aufn. is 'Aufnahme' for 'record' but I don't know what the 'ZI' is. As it is a reference, perhaps I could leave the ZI as is.

Shane London KudoZ activity Questions: 942 (1 open) (23 closed without grading) Answers: 138 Australia
Local time: 21:52

Zl. = Geschäftszahl

Explanation:
Bei Aufn. komme ich auch nur auf "Aufnahme" - aber IMO eher im juristichen Umfeld, nicht im Krankenhaus. (Da sollten die "Juristen" aus Österreich was sagen können ...)

Aber ZI. ist nicht Z + I, sondern Zl. als Abkürzung für Geschäftszahl:
http://www.bmbwk.gv.at/ministerium/rs/2004-07.xml

Hier sieht man oben re. im Kopf die Abkürzung, unten in der Überschrift erscheint "Geschäftszahl".

Selected response from:

MMUlr
Germany
Local time: 13:52

Grading comment

This has turned out to be the correct answer. (See my final asker note). But thankyou to everybody for the assistance. I regret I was actually asking for the wrong abbreviation but unfortunately I often find myself working from such poor quality copies.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +1

Aufnahme = admission (to hospital) / admission ref. ZI 237/27

Steffen Walter

3 +1

Zl. = Geschäftszahl

MMUlr

Aufn. ZI

Derek Gill Franßen

Admission ZI 237/27 (not for points)

Aniello Scognamiglio (X)

s.u.

KARIN ISBELL

Discussion entries: 9

Shane London

Australia

ASKER

11:49 Sep 16, 2005

A final reply has come back. According to the Standesamt i.I. it is Zl. not ZI. and stands for Zahl. Looking through the murky black mess with a magnifying glass I still can't tell. I was worried about how to allocate points because I, in fact, used Steffen's answer but I see that he has agreed with MMUIr's answer after I referred to the poor quality copy.

Johanna Timm, PhD

Canada

Good for you!And I'm sure you persistence will pay off!!

22:35 Sep 15, 2005

Shane London

Australia

ASKER

Email Reply from Standesamt Ried i. I.

22:22 Sep 15, 2005

Well, an email reply arrived. 'Aufn.' is 'Admission' but there is nothing about 'ZI'. I have fired back another query about it. In the meantime, I had to do this translation urgently overnight which is why I lodged this Proz question, so I have used Steffen's suggestion which seems safe to me. However, I will just wait a little to see if I get an answer from Ried i.I. about ZI.

Shane London

Australia

ASKER

13:09 Sep 15, 2005

Thanks, Johanna. That is a good idea. I will email them since I have something else to ask about anyway. It isn't a certificate. It's a statement signed by the parents acknowledging that the given names can't be changed in the birth register unless they go through an expensive process. The year of the birth is 1957. I hope this hasn't caused confusion but I changed the original XXX/57 to 237/27 as I didn't want to quote somebody's original reference. It didn't occur to me that /57 was the year.

Johanna Timm, PhD

Canada

Or how about sending an email to [email protected] and request clarification?

21:22 Sep 14, 2005

Johanna Timm, PhD

Canada

Shane, since this is a certificate relating to a birth, was it issued in 1927? That would explain the /27, in which case 'record number' would be correct: 237 would relate to birth no. 237( maybe a birth in June, given that Ried is a small community)

21:06 Sep 14, 2005

Shane London

Australia

ASKER

14:09 Sep 14, 2005

My thanks for all these helpful comments. There is no letter head. It's a statement signed by the parents and addressed (at the bottom) to the Standesamt Ried i.I. It's a very poor photocopy actually (black in places) and chopped off at the top so if there was a letter head, it has been obliterated. Judging by your comments I should probably leave the ZI as part of the reference number. As it is probably signed at the hospital, I guess the 'Aufnahme' probably is 'admission'.

Derek Gill Franßen

Germany

I was thinking the same thing, but why would it be capitalized and "Aufn." not? It is probably just some internal code, like the initials of the person working on the case, i.e. "Our ref." - if you know what I mean. :-)

13:43 Sep 14, 2005

Shane London

Australia

ASKER

13:39 Sep 14, 2005

It's more like a record number I think. Could it be Aufnahmeziffer?

Answers

12 mins confidence:

Aufn. ZI

Explanation:
I also thought it could be something like "Aufnahmeziffer", but it didn't make much sense to me considering "Aufn." is not capitalized. It is probably just some internal code, like the initials of the person working on the case, i.e. "Our ref." - if you know what I mean. ;-)

Derek Gill Franßen
Germany
Local time: 13:52
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 728

9 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Aufnahme = admission (to hospital) / admission ref. ZI 237/27

Explanation:
This is medical, isn't it? In that case Aufnahme is admission (in the sense of stationäre Aufnahme) - even if the child was born there, this would be dealt with as an Aufnahme in technical/administrative terms. However, I do believe that ZI 237/27 is just the internal reference number used by the hospital, and should be left as is.

Two arguments against "Zimmer":
- ZI appears in capitals
- There's a blank space between Aufn. and ZI (if it were Aufnahmezimmer, I'd abbreviate this to Aufn.zi.).

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Note added at 12 mins (2005-09-14 13:46:39 GMT)
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As to what ZI might stand for, there are a couple of possible interpretations: these could either be initials of an individual or an abbreviation of the ward in which the child was born (Zentrale Innere [Medizin]?). At any rate, I wouldn't touch the number at all - just to be on the safe side.

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Note added at 15 mins (2005-09-14 13:50:02 GMT)
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On second thought, I might be on the wrong track with my hospital assumption. Perhaps this is just an Aktenzeichen (file no., ref.) of a court or a law firm. More context? Does the document include a letterhead, and if so, whose name and address appear there?

Steffen Walter
Germany
Local time: 13:52
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 438

26 mins confidence:

Aufn. ZI 237/27 Admission ZI 237/27 (not for points)

Explanation:
My previous suggestion was not very clear, that's why I deleted it.

I read it Aufnahme Zimmer 237/27 (NOT Aufnahmezimmer)!

I still think that ZI stands for "Zimmer".

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Note added at 28 mins (2005-09-14 14:02:39 GMT)
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Perhaps:
ZI = Zentralinstitut?

Aniello Scognamiglio (X)
Germany
Local time: 13:52
Native speaker of:

German

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Zl. = Geschäftszahl

MMUlr
Germany
Local time: 13:52
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 23

Grading comment

3 hrs confidence:

s.u.

Explanation:
DUDEN Woerterbuch d. Abkuerzungen verzeichnet ZI einzig und allein als 'Zentralinstitut' -- nicht besonders sinnvoll.

KARIN ISBELL
United States
Local time: 04:52
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

German
PRO pts in category: 155

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