ab dem x. Jahr

14:03 Mar 26 

The difficulty is that the original statements are indeed ambiguous, so the translation is going to be ambiguous as well. Adding "beginning of" or "end of" when these are not present in the original is not accurate.

Sometimes we have to translate what the author says without knowing what the author means.

10:07 Jan 6 

Take up as much space as you like - whether someone else chimes in or not.

16:40 Jan 4 

...I've removed three d-box posts (from 2 January). I'm still hoping someone else might chime in so I don't want to take up too much space here.

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03:41 Jan 3 

A Staffelmiete example:
"Im Rahmen einer Modernisierungsvereinbarung hatten die Parteien folgende Staffelmietvereinbarung getroffen...ab Wiederbezug der sanierten Wohnung für die Dauer von 4 Jahren (48 Monaten): 4,11 Euro pro Quadratmeter und Monat; ab dem 5. Jahr (49. Monat) nach Wiederbezug für die Dauer von 2 Jahren (24 Monaten): 5,11 Euro pro Quadratmeter und Monat, ab dem 7. Jahr (72. Monat) nach Wiederbezug für die Dauer von 2 Jahren (24 Monaten): 6,14 Euro pro Quadratmeter und Monat...nach Wiederbezug gelten die mietrechtlichen Regelungen des BGB."
https://www.berliner-mieterverein.de/recht/mieturteile/11015...

And a "Randziffer" (Rechtsliteratur):
"An den Verletzten V sollen von 'heute" an für einen Zeitraum von 4 Jahren Renten iHv monatlich 1.000 EUR gezahlt werden.

Nach dem 4. (also ab dem 5.) Jahr sind monatlich nur noch 500 EUR bis zum 20. Jahr zu berücksichtigen,
nach dem 20. (also ab dem 21.) für dann noch 5 Jahre monatlich 100 EUR."
https://www.haufe.de/recht/deutsches-anwalt-office-premium/1...

Not much wiggle room here.

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03:32 Jan 3 

I know this because you'll find the complete wording, including "vollendet" in SGB VIII § 24:
"(1) Ein Kind, das das erste Lebensjahr noch nicht vollendet hat, ist in einer Einrichtung oder in Kindertagespflege zu fördern, wenn...
(2) Ein Kind, das das erste Lebensjahr vollendet hat, hat bis zur Vollendung des dritten Lebensjahres Anspruch auf frühkindliche Förderung in einer Tageseinrichtung oder in Kindertagespflege."
https://datenbank.nwb.de/Dokument/534036_24/

And this is how it's mostly done when it comes to age; even if not stated, the bit about "vollendet" is implicit.

However, this is absolutely not the same for contracts (which is why I think the age example is a bit unfortunate here). You always start counting at 1, that is, "1. Vertragsjahr" and "ab dem X. Jahr" equals "im X. Jahr" unless you explicitly state that the year needs to be "vollendet." Here's a court order breaking it down:
https://openjur.de/u/320472.html

It says: "1.-3. Jahr (36 Monate)...4.-6. Jahr (36 Monate)...7.-9. Jahr (36 Monate)...nach 9 Jahren sind angespart...für jedes weitere Jahr ab dem 10. Jahr (12 Monate)...nach 10 Jahren [etc.]"

It's (almost) always the same.

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03:21 Jan 3 

It wasn't really that inconclusive, considering I found the source (see my last d-box entry) and while "technically" incorrect, the issue is that the further you get from "1. Lebensjahr," the more fluid the concept becomes in German. Here's another ex.:
"Ein typischer Karriereverlauf mit Aufnahme des Vorbereitungsdienstes nach Abschluss der Schulbildung ergäbe im 30. Lebensjahr folgenden Vergleich mit einer Einkommensdifferenz von 245,63 € monatlich."
https://www.landtag.ltsh.de/infothek/wahl20/drucks/00900/dru...

You might think they're talking about someone who's 29 years old, but, no, the table says "30 Jahre". And that's not the only example I can find.

Going by what the German Bundestag says...
https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/569574/caa1dd6c901084...
...you get:

"Betreuung und Förderung von Kindern im ersten Lebensjahr"
> There's your "first year of life."

"Betreuung und Förderung von ein- bis dreijährigen Kindern"
> This one is followed by "Ab dem ersten bis dritten Lebensjahr" - because what they mean here is "ab dem vollendeten X. Lebensjahr."

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01:14 Jan 3 

Merci.

20:07 Jan 2 

18:05 Jan 2 

"From 16 on" means in your 17th year. When you reach 16 years of age, you've completed 16 years and enter your 17th year.
Thanks.

01:53 Jan 2 

in a contract:
"Mieterhöhung ab dem 4. Jahr um X€ und ab dem 7. Jahr um Y€."

I wondered if it's ambiguous and asked myself what would "ab dem 1. Jahr" mean. To me it would appear logical that it means AFTER the first year has elapsed. It wouldn't make much sense for it to mean the rent increases as soon as you move in.

And then I thought of the Lebensjahr example, which would support "after", i.e. ab Ende.

21:38 Dec 31, 2023 

I would have said "starting in", but then how would you translate "ab dem 1. Jahr erhöht sich"? That doesn't make sense to me. Is it a real example? It gets only one hit, which may be a translation from Turkish.

08:05 Dec 31, 2023 

Almost thought you were going to repost this so I've prepared the following:
"The Department of History also offers small-class opportunities starting in the first year..."
https://www.uoguelph.ca/arts/history/undergraduate-programs/...

"Career and professional development opportunities starting in the first year"
https://www.uvm.edu/business/center-student-success

"Preparing for college means setting goals, staying focused...—starting in the first year of high school."
https://www.sbiainc.com/resource-center/lifestyle/countdown-...

"Newly tenured faculty members will receive a $2,000 salary increase starting in the first year of their tenure."
https://jobs.chronicle.com/job/37582235/assistant-professor-...

Even clearer:
"Full-time Calendar Year employees covered by this Agreement shall earn vacation
as follows:
Two (2) weeks starting in the first year of employment;
Three (3) weeks after FIVE (5) years of employment;
Four (4) weeks after TEN (10) years of employment"
https://www.nh.gov/pelrb/collective/documents/goffstown_educ...

"starting in the first year of" = ab dem 1. Jahr

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