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13er Bogen / 20er Bogen

English translation: Form 13/20

GLOSSARY ENTRY (DERIVED FROM QUESTION BELOW)
German term or phrase:13er Bogen / 20er Bogen
English translation:Form 13/20
Entered by: Timoshka

22:16 Aug 6, 2023
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History
German term or phrase: 13er Bogen / 20er Bogen
The phrases "13er Bogen" and "20er Bogen" appear with frequency in a series of letters, written by a Jewish woman in Vienna in 1941. They relate in some way to obtaining permission to leave the country, I believe:

"Soeben bringt der liebe Vater 2 13er Bögen von Schotten, die wir gleich morgen ans Konsulat senden wollen. Ob wir Antwort bekommen werden, wissen wir natürlich nicht."

"Jetzt fällt mir gerade ein, daß ich Dich fragen wollte, wer eigentlich als Affidavitgeber fungiert. Auf dem 13er Bogen konnten wir die Anfrage nach dem Affidavitaussteller nur mit 'Schindler' beantworten, da wir Näheres nicht wußten."

"Dagegen erhielt der liebe Vater Antwort auf den 13er Bogen, daß der Fall behandelt werden könnte, wenn die Schiffspassage gesichert wäre (mit genauer Angabe des Schiffes, Datums und Beförderungsweges) und zur gegebenen Zeit Quotennummern vorhanden sind."

"In Vaters Antwort auf den 13er Bogen haben wir momentan nichts getan, da in der jüdischen Zeitung eine Notiz stand, daß für Besitzer Deutscher Quote, die im Nov. 1938 registriert haben, in den nächsten Tagen und Wochen der 20er Bogen zugeschickt wird, der von der I.K.G. [=Israelitische Kultusgemeinde] als maßgebend anerkannt wird. Inzwischen erfuhren wir dieser Tage, daß das Konsulat für 14 Tage gesperrt wurde. Grund unbekannt."

"Onkel Wilhelm hat dieselbe Verständigung erhalten wie der liebe Vater, kann also auch nichts machen bis zum Erhalt des 20er Bogens, nur hat er schon am 9. Nov. und wir erst am 1. Dez. registriert."
Timoshka
Local time: 09:20
Form 13/20
Explanation:
See the discussion box, and thanks to Björn for the references.
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philgoddard
United States
Grading comment
Thank you!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
413th sheet/20th sheet
Andrew Bramhall
3Form 13/20
philgoddard


Discussion entries: 4





  

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29 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
13th sheet/20th sheet


Explanation:
Sheet of paper, i.e, page in a document;

Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:20
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Notes to answerer
Asker: I think it's something a little more specific than that. It's not just a sheet of paper or a numbered page of a document, since it is some sort of questionnaire that is filled out: "Auf dem 13er Bogen konnten wir die Anfrage nach dem Affidavitaussteller nur mit 'Schindler' beantworten, da wir Näheres nicht wußten."


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Susan Starling: That's not what the -er ending means in German; the "13th sheet" would be der 13. Bogen (for example). I'd think e.g. "(on) Form 13", "Form 20" would be more fitting.
10 hrs
  -> Agree with asker's and PG's comments, but not yours. You obviously don't understand the difference between ordinal and cardinal numbers.
agree  Anna Wright: yes, I think it might refer to the format (dimensions or prints per sheet), i.e. a 13cm/20cm sheet/form
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15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Form 13/20


Explanation:
See the discussion box, and thanks to Björn for the references.

philgoddard
United States
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 76
Grading comment
Thank you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  writeaway: As Susan Starling indicated in the peer disagree above
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