May 1, 2007 15:36
17 yrs ago
German term
Retired as of Jan 2019!
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
kommt schließlich noch hinzu
German to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
history of liberalism
Die Vertreter solcher teleologisch dienstverpflichteten Liberalismen neigen zu einer milden Be-urteilung staatlicher Intervention und weisen zudem hinter das individuelle Recht auf den Plural der Rechte und Freiheiten zurück, an denen man teilhaben kann, weil und soweit man einem Kollektiv angehört, also in den Genuss von Gruppenprivilegien kommt. Entsprechend propagier-te nicht nur Roosevelts New-Deal-Liberalismus die „vier Freiheiten“. *Kommt schließlich noch hinzu, dass der amerikanische Philosoph John Dewey (1859 bis 1952) die planmäßige sozial-technologische Anwendung der Wissenschaft zur einzigen Rettung des Liberalismus erklärt, so wird es unvermeidlich, daß „Liberalism“ im amerikanischen Sprachgebrauch nicht mehr den erkenntnisskeptischen Liberalismus bezeichnet.* Dieser ist deshalb auf Hilfsbegriffe wie „Classical liberalism“ und „Libertarianism“ angewiesen.
For which I have
"American philosopher John Dewey (1859 - 1952) also declared the systematic, social-technological implementation of science to be the sole savior of Liberalism. It thus became inevitable that, in American linguistic terms, the word “Liberalism” no longer denoted a sceptisicm of knowledge."
Thanks in advance
For which I have
"American philosopher John Dewey (1859 - 1952) also declared the systematic, social-technological implementation of science to be the sole savior of Liberalism. It thus became inevitable that, in American linguistic terms, the word “Liberalism” no longer denoted a sceptisicm of knowledge."
Thanks in advance
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +4 | When one further considers... |
DonM
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| 3 | (if) is also added in / is, in addition, being acknowledged |
Bernhard Sulzer
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| 2 | Given, then, that ... / s.u. |
Francis Lee (X)
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Change log
May 1, 2007 15:40: Marcus Malabad changed "Term asked" from "Kommt schließlich noch hinzu (to the end of the sentence)" to "Kommt schließlich noch hinzu"
May 2, 2007 10:29: Steffen Walter changed "Term asked" from "Kommt schließlich noch hinzu" to "kommt schließlich noch hinzu"
Proposed translations
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When one further considers...
I think your translation is essentially fine. Here's an alternative which makes one sentence of it. The idea of "schließlich" is contained in "conclusion" in the second clause. Hope it helps...
When one further considers that the American philosopher John Dewey (1859 - 1952) declared the systematic, social-technological application of science to be the sole savior of Liberalism, the conclusion becomes unavoidable that the term 'Liberalism' as used in America no longer denotes a liberalism sceptical of knowledge.
When one further considers that the American philosopher John Dewey (1859 - 1952) declared the systematic, social-technological application of science to be the sole savior of Liberalism, the conclusion becomes unavoidable that the term 'Liberalism' as used in America no longer denotes a liberalism sceptical of knowledge.
Note from asker:
| nicely done |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Ingeborg Gowans (X)
: I would say this rendering makes a stronger argument "kommt schliesslich noch hinzu" is much stroonger than "also" otherwise transl. is fine
6 mins
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| agree |
Craig Meulen
: Agree with Ingeborg, and the improvement "..a liberalism sceptical of knowledge."
18 mins
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| agree |
Bernhard Sulzer
: in my own proposal, I tried to strengthen the "consider."
1 hr
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| agree |
Steffen Walter
: I'd use "if" instead of "when".
18 hrs
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(if) is also added in / is, in addition, being acknowledged
*Kommt schließlich noch hinzu, dass der amerikanische Philosoph John Dewey (1859 bis 1952) die planmäßige sozial-technologische Anwendung der Wissenschaft zur einzigen Rettung des Liberalismus erklärt, so wird es unvermeidlich, daß „Liberalism“ im amerikanischen Sprachgebrauch nicht mehr den erkenntnisskeptischen Liberalismus bezeichnet.*
If one also adds in the idea of the systematic, socio-technological application of science as the only savior of liberalism, as proposed (suggested) by the American philosopher John Dewey (1859 - 1952), then the term "Liberalism", as used in the United States of America, can no longer/in no way be understood as denoting a liberalism sceptical of knowledge.
or maybe: if the idea of...is also added in,...
If, in addition, the systematic, socio-technological application of science is (being) figured in (acknowledged) as the only savior of liberalism, as proposed (suggested) by the American philosopher John Dewey (1859 - 1952), then the term "Liberalism", as used in the United States of America, can no longer/in no way be understood as denoting a liberalism sceptical of knowledge.
or, maybe:
If, in addition, one acknowledges/figures in the systematic, socio-technological application of science, as proposed (suggested) by...
or, maybe:
If, in addition, one acknowledges that the American philosopher John Dewey proposed the systematic, socio-technological application of science as the only savior of liberalism, then the term...
If one also adds in the idea of the systematic, socio-technological application of science as the only savior of liberalism, as proposed (suggested) by the American philosopher John Dewey (1859 - 1952), then the term "Liberalism", as used in the United States of America, can no longer/in no way be understood as denoting a liberalism sceptical of knowledge.
or maybe: if the idea of...is also added in,...
If, in addition, the systematic, socio-technological application of science is (being) figured in (acknowledged) as the only savior of liberalism, as proposed (suggested) by the American philosopher John Dewey (1859 - 1952), then the term "Liberalism", as used in the United States of America, can no longer/in no way be understood as denoting a liberalism sceptical of knowledge.
or, maybe:
If, in addition, one acknowledges/figures in the systematic, socio-technological application of science, as proposed (suggested) by...
or, maybe:
If, in addition, one acknowledges that the American philosopher John Dewey proposed the systematic, socio-technological application of science as the only savior of liberalism, then the term...
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Given, then, that ... / s.u.
Another option: although it might be too weak.
- Given, then, that John Dewey ...
- Added to that the declaration by John Dewey ... , "liberalism" inevitably lost its associations with skepticism ....
- Under these circumstances, John Dewey's declaration ... ultimately made it inevitable ...
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Note added at 16 hrs (2007-05-02 08:20:51 GMT)
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I'd rephrase "Sprachgebrauch":
- "liberalism" was in American terminology no longer defined/understood in terms of ...
- the (common) American understanding of "liberalism" was no longer ...
- ... in the American vernacular ... ?
- Given, then, that John Dewey ...
- Added to that the declaration by John Dewey ... , "liberalism" inevitably lost its associations with skepticism ....
- Under these circumstances, John Dewey's declaration ... ultimately made it inevitable ...
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Note added at 16 hrs (2007-05-02 08:20:51 GMT)
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I'd rephrase "Sprachgebrauch":
- "liberalism" was in American terminology no longer defined/understood in terms of ...
- the (common) American understanding of "liberalism" was no longer ...
- ... in the American vernacular ... ?
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