herkunftsgesichert

English translation: traceable

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German term or phrase:	herkunftsgesichert
English translation:	traceable
Entered by:	Ramey Rieger (X)

09:51 Mar 2, 2015

German to English translations [PRO]
Agriculture / GMO-free soya

German term or phrase: herkunftsgesichert

Good morning honored Colleagues!
This is an interesting term and I would appreciate your help in translating it. I haven't found a satisfying translation in the dics or KOG, although Linguee provides 'source identified' as a not-so-elegant option. I would love to find a term that includes 'secure' in some form. Source secure or source guaranteed or guarantee of origin or origin ensured, all of which fail to provide the 'feel' of a term that sounds both natural and long-established.
The initiative, by the way, is supported by Greenpeace, WWF, BUND, etc. and is, in my opinion very much worth an appealing, excellent translation:

Um dieser Herausforderung wirkungsvoll zu begegnen, hat sich ausgehend von Österreich die Initiative Donau Soja gebildet: Donau Soja fördert den Anbau von Qualitäts¬soja in der Donauregion – als Basis für eine qualitativ hochwertige, herkunftsgesicherte und gentechnikfreie Futtermittel- und Lebensmittelproduktion. Und leistet damit einen wichtigen Beitrag für eine eigenständige europäische Eiweißversorgung.

Nun bin ich sehr gespannt!

Ramey Rieger (X) KudoZ activity Questions: 93 (none open) (4 closed without grading) Answers: 2944 Germany
Local time: 21:57

traceable

Explanation:
http://www.fiercepharmamanufacturing.com/story/german-meat-c...

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genuinely

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genuinely traceable

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btw, freek is short for frederik! Do like the "Mi-part"!

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truly traceable

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yours truly traceable DoNow Soya ;-)

Selected response from:

freekfluweel
Netherlands
Local time: 21:57

Grading comment

Thank you all so very much! I have listed all the options and sent them to the client. My personal favorite is truly traceable, which is why I am awarding points to Frederik. It is never easy finding original and understandable terminology, but worth the effort!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +1

from a genetically secure source

Donald Jacobson

3 +2

controlled designation of origin

Yorkshireman

2 +2

traceable

freekfluweel

Summary of reference entries provided

heritage-sourced?

billcorno (X)

Discussion entries: 12

Yorkshireman

Germany

@Edith

17:12 Mar 2, 2015

:-) I prefer splitting off big lumps of it and grilling or frying them. Just cut off the horns and hooves and skin it and I can find plenty to do with what's left.

Edith Kelly

Switzerland

Yorkshireman

16:19 Mar 2, 2015

at least beef has hair that one can split. Soy does not. Another difference.

Yorkshireman

Germany

Beef and soy

14:43 Mar 2, 2015

I don't like to beef about your suggestion, but a look through the Google hits reveals that source-verified applies almost exclusively to beef - and source-identified to seed.

That said, source-identified could well apply to soy/soya itself, but in the form of feedstuffs manufactured from source-identified soy

Wendy Streitparth

Germany

14:24 Mar 2, 2015

With Michael: source-verified.

Michael Martin, MA

United States

With Edith

12:54 Mar 2, 2015

with a slight modification perhaps: "source-verified"

Ramey Rieger (X)

Germany

ASKER

I appreciate it Edith!

10:25 Mar 2, 2015

Source-identified is certainly the official translation, and please feel free to enter it as a suggestion so it comes in the KOG. It would be interesting to see how many colleagues consider it a viable translation in this context.

Edith Kelly

Switzerland

Up to you, Ramey

10:18 Mar 2, 2015

actually, I do not see what you mean. Anyway I did not post it as an answer. I simply wanted to point out the "official" EU version. I suppose your text simply "stole" the expression.

Ramey Rieger (X)

Germany

ASKER

Good morning Edith

10:14 Mar 2, 2015

and thank you! What 'source-identified' lacks, in a Marketing or Web presentation context, is the 'origin' loophole which I am trying to close. Source-identified means where the end product came from, but does not necessarily indicate where the origin of the end product, i.e. seeds, comes from. Do you see what I mean?

Edith Kelly

Switzerland

and here the same in German

10:09 Mar 2, 2015

so the term is not new, it existed in 1999
EUR-Lex - 31999L0105 - EN - EUR-Lex
eur-lex.europa.eu › EUROPA › EU law and publications › EUR-Lex
(10) In einigen Mitgliedstaaten ist die Verwendung von forstlichem Vermehrungsgut der Kategorie "herkunftsgesichert", die nach der Richtlinie 66/404/EWG für ...

Edith Kelly

Switzerland

this is the official EU version

10:06 Mar 2, 2015

source-identified
Council Directive 1999/105/EC - EUR-Lex - Europa
eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?...

Ramey Rieger (X)

Germany

ASKER

Trademarked, too

10:02 Mar 2, 2015

That's a pity. But I'm sure we can some up with something equally elegant.

freekfluweel

Netherlands

truetrace

09:56 Mar 2, 2015

alas, already used by Ingredion

http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/news/2014/11/ingredion...

Answers

15 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

from a genetically secure source

Explanation:
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Donald Jacobson
United States
Local time: 14:57
Native speaker of: English

7 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

traceable

freekfluweel
Netherlands
Local time: 21:57
Native speaker of:

Dutch
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Notes to answerer

Asker: Many thanks, Milady! How about a nice adjective? Positively traceable? perfectly traceable?

Asker: SO SORRY Frederik! for some reason I thought you were female! Thank you Milord! (I am usually addressed as Sir)

54 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

controlled designation of origin

Explanation:
Like DOC for Italian wines

Yorkshireman
Germany
Local time: 21:57
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 24

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you Yorkshireman, a very viable option!

Reference comments

15 hrs

Reference: heritage-sourced?

Reference information:
This is what I was thinking, but it gets no hits on a Google search...

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I was going to post this as a comment. Something went amiss...

billcorno (X)
United States
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Note to reference poster

Asker: Hi Bill, You just hit the wrong tab. I could really care less about Google hits. People don't hire me to render the common translation, I have to really work for my money - and I LOVE it!

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