modules de résistance

English translation: moduli of resistance

11:50 Sep 9, 2009
French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Patents
French term or phrase: modules de résistance
In a description of a the material used in a protective garment.
"... composées de cellules fermées étanches, dont la densité et les modules de résistance sont adaptés à chacune des applications de l'invention"
I don't like "resistance modules". Any suggestions?
Imogen Hancock
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:33
English translation:moduli of resistance
Explanation:
Presumably resistance to bending, to torsion, to wear, to penetration, etc.

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Note added at 51 mins (2009-09-09 12:41:41 GMT)
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While I agree with Kevin that "résistance" most commonly translates as "strength", since we are dealing with modules in the plural and don't really know what we are talking about, I'd prefer to leave all options open. Look at résistance à la pénétration for example, for maybe this "protective garment" is a bulletproof/knifeproof vest. "Penetration strength" might work, but I'd be happier with "penetration resistance", if only because of what penis-enlargement spamail tells us about "penetration strength".

Tanto-shaped BLADE for cutting power and PENETRATION STRENGTH. ...
forums.alpinezone.com/61475-crkt-triumph-folder-knife.html

464 ghits for jacket + "penetration strength", as here (fencing jackets):

This, with a metal thread jacket (a lame) and electric sensing equipment, ... standard for competition SUITS or total cover is 800N PENETRATION STRENGTH. ...
members.ozemail.com.au/~budniak/Parents%20Guide.htm (fencing jackets)

and TACTICAL VEST with 1000N Average PENETRATION STRENGTH. .... proof helmet,bullet proof vest,bullet proof jacket,tactical vest,water filter. ...
www.alibaba.com/.../tactical+vest-wholesalers.html

Versus 3400 ghits for jacket + "penetration resistance", as here:

The jacket comprises a fabric of yarn and the yarn consists essentially of a high s. ... thereby increasing PENETRATION RESISTANCE OF THE JACKET. ...
www.freepatentsonline.com/4886691.html

This strong fabric costs a little more than the weaker 8 oz cotton of our competitors' entry level jackets, but the BRUISE AND PENETRATION RESISTANCE of a ...
www.triplette.com/catalog.php?item=279 (more fencing jackets)

STAINLESS STEEL MIDSOLE for PENETRATION RESISTANCE to 1100 newtons. Durable flat boot lace. ... MACH2 jacket 65% polyester / 35% cotton. Raglan sleeves. ...
www.genuinearmysurplus.co.uk/pages/products/.../rowid=36

Not to mention engineering usage as here:

The test is then repeated, cone PENETRATION RESISTANCE normally being determined at depth intervals of 200mm. The friction jacket cone (Figure 8.13(c)) ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0415327024...

PENETRATION RESISTANCE. The minimum thickness of the sides, bottom sheet and end plates of the fuel tank shall be equivalent to 5/16 inch steel plate at ...
www.aptastandards.com/portals/0/.../ss_c_and_s_007_98_rev_1...

1. Extravehicular activity suit PENETRATION RESISTANCE - Elsevier
The PENETRATION RESISTANCE TO HYPERVELOCITY IMPACT (HVI) has been determined .... 7.34 45 Yes HITF A3047 AI oxide 0.40 7.28 45 No HITF A3081 Steel 0.39 7.13 45 ... the tank but might not necessarily cause a leak or catastrophic rupture. ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0734743X99000676

Of course this may be real science, in which case module de résistance might "section modulus", but this is where I start getting out of my depth ...

Section Modulus: The section modulus is a property of the cross section, which is used to determine the bending stress in the extreme fibre of the section
Section Modulus (S) Numerical relationship, expressed in in.3, of the resistance to stress of a member. It is equal to the moment of inertia divided by the perpendicular distance from the neutral axis to the extremity of the member.






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Note added at 52 mins (2009-09-09 12:43:05 GMT)
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Ah, so you DO have résistance à la perforation !!!
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Summary of answers provided
3 +1strength modulus
chris collister
3 -1moduli of resistance
Bourth (X)
3 -1mechanical properties
Kari Foster


Discussion entries: 6





  

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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
strength modulus


Explanation:
Slightly odd terminology, since one normally refers to moduli of stiffness or elasticity. I suspect the inventor probably means the latter (also known as Young's modulus), rather than "strength", which tends to vary according to the direction of the applied stress.

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Note added at 49 mins (2009-09-09 12:39:16 GMT)
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The only modulus of resistance I am aware of (and rarely even then) applies to electrical resistivity. "Resistance à la rupture" generally means "strength to break" or fracture strength. On the other hand, shock resistance and tear resistance are perfectly current.

chris collister
France
Local time: 07:33
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Notes to answerer
Asker: I am a bit unsure about using strength instead of resistance, as I have things like "resistance à la rupture", "resistance au choc, à la perforation et à l'écrasement" which occur thorughout the text. Does modulus not work with resistance?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kevin Harper: Correction to previous comment - this should be "strength moduli" - Young's modulus is one of set of moduli. What is referred to here is probably Young's modulus, the shear modulus and the bulk modulus (I should refer to my notes before replying, really!)
11 mins
  -> Hmm, interesting. Stiffness and strength are rarely, if ever, the same. Where did you do your B.Eng?
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
moduli of resistance


Explanation:
Presumably resistance to bending, to torsion, to wear, to penetration, etc.

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Note added at 51 mins (2009-09-09 12:41:41 GMT)
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While I agree with Kevin that "résistance" most commonly translates as "strength", since we are dealing with modules in the plural and don't really know what we are talking about, I'd prefer to leave all options open. Look at résistance à la pénétration for example, for maybe this "protective garment" is a bulletproof/knifeproof vest. "Penetration strength" might work, but I'd be happier with "penetration resistance", if only because of what penis-enlargement spamail tells us about "penetration strength".

Tanto-shaped BLADE for cutting power and PENETRATION STRENGTH. ...
forums.alpinezone.com/61475-crkt-triumph-folder-knife.html

464 ghits for jacket + "penetration strength", as here (fencing jackets):

This, with a metal thread jacket (a lame) and electric sensing equipment, ... standard for competition SUITS or total cover is 800N PENETRATION STRENGTH. ...
members.ozemail.com.au/~budniak/Parents%20Guide.htm (fencing jackets)

and TACTICAL VEST with 1000N Average PENETRATION STRENGTH. .... proof helmet,bullet proof vest,bullet proof jacket,tactical vest,water filter. ...
www.alibaba.com/.../tactical+vest-wholesalers.html

Versus 3400 ghits for jacket + "penetration resistance", as here:

The jacket comprises a fabric of yarn and the yarn consists essentially of a high s. ... thereby increasing PENETRATION RESISTANCE OF THE JACKET. ...
www.freepatentsonline.com/4886691.html

This strong fabric costs a little more than the weaker 8 oz cotton of our competitors' entry level jackets, but the BRUISE AND PENETRATION RESISTANCE of a ...
www.triplette.com/catalog.php?item=279 (more fencing jackets)

STAINLESS STEEL MIDSOLE for PENETRATION RESISTANCE to 1100 newtons. Durable flat boot lace. ... MACH2 jacket 65% polyester / 35% cotton. Raglan sleeves. ...
www.genuinearmysurplus.co.uk/pages/products/.../rowid=36

Not to mention engineering usage as here:

The test is then repeated, cone PENETRATION RESISTANCE normally being determined at depth intervals of 200mm. The friction jacket cone (Figure 8.13(c)) ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0415327024...

PENETRATION RESISTANCE. The minimum thickness of the sides, bottom sheet and end plates of the fuel tank shall be equivalent to 5/16 inch steel plate at ...
www.aptastandards.com/portals/0/.../ss_c_and_s_007_98_rev_1...

1. Extravehicular activity suit PENETRATION RESISTANCE - Elsevier
The PENETRATION RESISTANCE TO HYPERVELOCITY IMPACT (HVI) has been determined .... 7.34 45 Yes HITF A3047 AI oxide 0.40 7.28 45 No HITF A3081 Steel 0.39 7.13 45 ... the tank but might not necessarily cause a leak or catastrophic rupture. ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0734743X99000676

Of course this may be real science, in which case module de résistance might "section modulus", but this is where I start getting out of my depth ...

Section Modulus: The section modulus is a property of the cross section, which is used to determine the bending stress in the extreme fibre of the section
Section Modulus (S) Numerical relationship, expressed in in.3, of the resistance to stress of a member. It is equal to the moment of inertia divided by the perpendicular distance from the neutral axis to the extremity of the member.






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Note added at 52 mins (2009-09-09 12:43:05 GMT)
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Ah, so you DO have résistance à la perforation !!!

Bourth (X)
Local time: 07:33
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20
Grading comment
many thanks

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Kevin Harper: "Résistance" is often translated as strength or stiffness. In the examples above the first two are "stiffness", the third could also be fatigue strength (as well as resistance to wear). The fourth is simply "hardness".
17 mins
  -> Certainly, but there can be reasons for avoiding "strength": more above.
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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
mechanical properties


Explanation:
Here, "module" means "modulus" and it has to do with the strength of the material, but I think they are just saying that they have chosen suitable materials in terms of strength, elasticity, etc. So I would use the general term "mechanical properties".

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Note added at 4 days (2009-09-14 09:41:56 GMT)
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I can't help thinking that to concentrate on the word "modulus" in this case is not a good idea.
Here we have Routledge's technical dictionary giving "module de résistance" in the context of textiles as: "breaking strength".
(I hope this link works...)
http://books.google.fr/books?id=Z3aI0zBCxNAC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA8...

Kari Foster
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:33
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Bourth (X): 1. But the eternal translation debate ... Should one use plain language or keep the pseudo-science??? 2. Hadn't previously observed this is a patent. Keep close. Patents ALWAYS sound odd.
2 mins
  -> Indeed... but basically I agree with Chris that the original terminology was a little odd. When in doubt, throw it out!

disagree  Kevin Harper: Revised comment: it is a group of mechanical properties, but a specific group, see comment under Chris's answer. You have to be careful to be unambiguous in scientific texts, particularly patents.
10 mins
  -> We usually talk about the parameters 'strength' and 'modulus', rarely 'strength modulus' and even more rarely 'strength moduli' (plural). The author has used a peculiarly French degree of vagueness here. Remains odd if rendered word-for-word in English.
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