French term
United Kingdom
MCIL/MITI - Business/Legal/Tourism/
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: French to English
En foi de ce qui précède
Is this just another way of saying "In witness whereof"?
| 3 +14 | in witness whereof |
Leighton Jacobs
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| 5 +1 | Based on the above (assessment/testimony etc.) |
Saro Nova
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| 3 -1 | In acceptance of that which precedes |
Lisa Rosengard
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Non-PRO (1): Yvonne Gallagher
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Proposed translations
United Kingdom
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Native in: English (Variant: UK) 
Works in: German to English, French to English
in witness whereof
It seems to be used in exactly the same way as "en foi de quoi" and specific to Luxembourg, e.g. http://www.legilux.lu/eli/etat/leg/prot/2020/01/06/a21/jo
Hope this helps!
| Thanks Adrian MM - it's US English in this case. Should I just leave it as it is? |
| Any suggestions as to an alternative to "witnesses" at the end of the sentence if I don't go for "based on the above"? There seems to be disagreement as to whether the latter is an option here and as the first option has full agreement it would seem more sensible to use it if possible. I don't recall having seen many references to witnesses described using a different term. Attestants maybe? I don't recall ever coming across that though so maybe not? |
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James Roden
25 mins
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mchd
35 mins
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Saro Nova
: This is also good. So long as you don't repeat the WITNESS at the end of the sentence. However, if there is a particular item such as testimony, accusations, etc, it might be important to distinguish: refer to my suggestion.
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Yes, I agree
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Adrian MM.
: IN WITNESS usually capitalis/zed in all Brit. Comm. countries - a legal drafting point.
48 mins
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ph-b (X)
58 mins
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AllegroTrans
2 hrs
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Paulina Sobelman
4 hrs
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Yvonne Gallagher
: boilerplate I'd have thought
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Michael Grabczan-Grabowski
8 hrs
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Simon Charass
1 day 9 hrs
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EirTranslations
1 day 10 hrs
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Hazel Underwood
2 days 5 hrs
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Kathleen Johnson
2 days 11 hrs
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Eliza Hall
2 days 13 hrs
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Based on the above (assessment/testimony etc.)
Based on the above (...), we have filed an (act/indictment/ a law) in the presence of witnesses.
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AllegroTrans
: Not the way it is used in legal practice - see above answer
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See my example.
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philgoddard
: Nothing wrong with this. And, as you point out, you can't say "witness" twice in one sentence.
3 hrs
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Yvonne Gallagher
: yes, if plain English required
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United Kingdom
experienced and well qualified linguist
Native in: English (Variant: UK)
Works in: Spanish to English, English, Spanish, and 3 more.
In acceptance of that which precedes
'ce qui précède' means 'that which precedes'
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Note added at 2 days 5 hrs (2020-05-20 13:17:48 GMT)
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I checked "en foi de ce qui précède" on 'DeepL Translator Linguee' and it wasn't there exactly. There I found "en foi de quoi" transalted as " in witness whereof" . I also found "Sur la foi de ce quii précède" on DeepL Translator Linguee" translated as "Based on the foregoing". In addition, I found a definition of "In witness whereof" to be clarification 'that whoever signs a legal document does so as a witness'.
En foi de ce qui précède, nous avons dressé le présent acte en présence des témoins.
In acceptance of the preceding words, we have reviewed the current proceedings (deeds) in the presence of witnesses.
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AllegroTrans
: this is not the wording used in legal documents: witnesses don't 'accept' anything, they simply are witnesses to somebody else's signature, and even a notary doesn't 'accept' - he or she simply records the wishes of the parties
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