Aug 11, 2007 18:26
16 yrs ago
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English term
Lithuania
lawyer (10 years), translator (14 years)
Native in: Lithuanian 
Works in: English to Lithuanian, English to Russian, Lithuanian to Russian, and 3 more.
neural cliques
English to Russian
Medical
Medical (general)
Neurology
из научной статьи о памяти:
...these overall network-level patterns are generated by distinct subsets of neural populations that we have dubbed "neural cliques."
Как назвать эти группы невронов?
...these overall network-level patterns are generated by distinct subsets of neural populations that we have dubbed "neural cliques."
Как назвать эти группы невронов?
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | узел нейронов (сетевого уровня) |
DNATUSIA
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| 4 | Кодирующие нейроны |
Stanislav Korobov
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| 2 +1 | "нейроны памяти" или "блок памяти" |
tutta_karlson
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Proposed translations
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узел нейронов (сетевого уровня)
clique переводится нынче как "группировка" (раньше помнится что-то про "клику Пол Пота"). поскольку речь идет о сетевом уровне организации, по аналогии с сетью - узел нейронов
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Note added at 18 hrs (2007-08-12 13:05:41 GMT)
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я бы оставила "узел"(именно в кавычках), потому что смысл как раз в том, что это не просто группа (некая популяция вообще), а специализированная группа. Короче говоря, да так как Вы сказали : population - группа, cliques - узлы.
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Note added at 18 hrs (2007-08-12 13:05:41 GMT)
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я бы оставила "узел"(именно в кавычках), потому что смысл как раз в том, что это не просто группа (некая популяция вообще), а специализированная группа. Короче говоря, да так как Вы сказали : population - группа, cliques - узлы.
Note from asker:
| Question to boostrer and DNATUSIA: how do you think, what would be the difference then between "the population of neurons" and "the neuron cliques"? Accoring to the recent research by J.Z.Tsien, the single neurons cannot explain the memory, and they revealed, that some groups of them, the populations of neurons and their subsets - neural cliques, play the main role here. So I would like to call these populations "gruppa", and the cliques - "uzel". What do you think? |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
boostrer
: I would only change uzel to gruppa. Uzel is a morphological term. "Clique" may be morphologically unidentifiable.
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спасибо! но все же если даже морфологически они не различимы,функционально - да, и именно в этом смысле - узел, протому что "группа" -слишком общо
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Natalie
: Это точно про нейроны памяти, и Борис, пожалуй, прав, в данном конкретном случае "группа" будет лучше "группировки"
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спасибо! конечно, "группировка", (какие-то прямо нейроны-киллеры, с бронетехникой) никуда не годится, но "группа" - как-то слишком расплывчато, не правда ли?
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thanks, i discovered, that a clique is a VERY exact word, because this is not just "uzel neironov", no, this is some network of neurons, which work together. The neurons are not cencentrated in one place, they forms some groups, which are mixed with each other. "
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39 mins
tutta_karlson
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12
"нейроны памяти" или "блок памяти"
Note from asker:
| actually it is about memory, but I doubt if it is "блок памяти", I like "блок нейронов" much more... |
2 hrs
Stanislav Korobov
Ukraine
Ukraine
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Specializes in field
Ukraine
Assoc.Prof., MD, PhD
Native in: Russian 
Works in: English to Russian, English to Ukrainian, Ukrainian to Russian, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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1974
Кодирующие нейроны
(исходя из фразы «different brain activity patterns and identified basic coding units in the hippocampus, “neural cliques”, that respond to the different stimuli. The individual neurons within neural cliques exhibit "collective cospiking" dynamics that allow the neural clique to overcome the response variability of its members and to achieve encoding robustness. These neural cliques provide a plausible neural basis of memory formation» на http://www.memory-key.com/news/2005/news_2005Apr.htm , а также используя это словосочетание – «Кодирующие нейроны» - со страницы neurolec.chat.ru/lecture4.htm)
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Note added at 22 час (2007-08-12 17:09:11 GMT)
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Thanks for your opinion, Mr. Zilvinskas. I do not think there is a difference of principle, in this particular case, between one neuron and a group of neurons. This group consists simply of many ‘one neuron’s. No matter, from which level of biological hierarchy this single cell has been taken into consideration. The only situation known to me when it is essential how many cells are in the group – one or more – is a change of FUNCTIONS related to this group’s operation. I mean a QUALITATIVE alteration resulted from a change of amount of cells in the group (from 1 to n). In other cases, it is hardly important whether we deal with ‘group’, ‘subset’ or ‘population’ of neurons. Words, words, words… All the best,
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Note added at 22 час (2007-08-12 17:09:11 GMT)
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Thanks for your opinion, Mr. Zilvinskas. I do not think there is a difference of principle, in this particular case, between one neuron and a group of neurons. This group consists simply of many ‘one neuron’s. No matter, from which level of biological hierarchy this single cell has been taken into consideration. The only situation known to me when it is essential how many cells are in the group – one or more – is a change of FUNCTIONS related to this group’s operation. I mean a QUALITATIVE alteration resulted from a change of amount of cells in the group (from 1 to n). In other cases, it is hardly important whether we deal with ‘group’, ‘subset’ or ‘population’ of neurons. Words, words, words… All the best,
Note from asker:
| Well, I dont thin Mr. Korobov is wrong, his answer is very close to the real meaning... For example, professor Tsien (the researcher, who used the term of cliques), wrote: "we found that each specific event is always represented by a set of neural cliques that encode different features ranging from general to specific." But I doubt if these cliques can be called just нейроны, because these cliques represent not single neurons, but some groups of them, and this group (clique) is a subset of a larger group, which is called "the population of neurons". |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
boostrer
: You are too specific, I guess.
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Really? To what extent TOO?! ...
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Discussion
"узел" или "блок" или "группа" или "скопление" текрмины нейтральные, поэтому вы вольны выбирать, что вам больше нравится :)