Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
vom Beginn ... an
English translation:
from the point at which...
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Dr Andrew Read
Mar 6, 2005 22:50
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German term
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vom Beginn
German to English
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Law: Contract(s)
What does "vom Beginn ... an" mean here? Is it temporal or does it mean from where the invalid words of the provision start? How would you folks translate these little simple words here?
Sollten einzelne Bestimmungen dieser Bedingungen ungültig, unwirksam, gesetzwidrig oder undurchführbar sein oder werden, so bleiben die übrigen Bestimmungen wirksam. Auftraggeber und Anbieter sind verpflichtet, die ungültige, unwirksame, gesetzwidrige oder undurchführbare Bestimmung *vom Beginn der Ungültigkeit /Unwirksamkeit /Gesetzwidrigkeit /Undurchführbarkeit an* durch eine wirtschaftlich möglichst gleichartige Bestimmung zu ersetzen.
Sollten einzelne Bestimmungen dieser Bedingungen ungültig, unwirksam, gesetzwidrig oder undurchführbar sein oder werden, so bleiben die übrigen Bestimmungen wirksam. Auftraggeber und Anbieter sind verpflichtet, die ungültige, unwirksame, gesetzwidrige oder undurchführbare Bestimmung *vom Beginn der Ungültigkeit /Unwirksamkeit /Gesetzwidrigkeit /Undurchführbarkeit an* durch eine wirtschaftlich möglichst gleichartige Bestimmung zu ersetzen.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | from the point at which the invalid....starts |
Louise Gough
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| 4 | from the time such provision becomes invalid,.... |
Ingrid Blank
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| 3 | I see it as temporal |
Astrid Elke Witte
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Proposed translations
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German term (edited):
vom Beginn (here)
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from the point at which the invalid....starts
...that's how I would interpret it, especially in view of the final part of the sentence.
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Note added at 11 hrs 34 mins (2005-03-07 10:25:24 GMT)
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To be more accurate, \"...as from the point at which the invalid/ineffective/unlawful/unworkable provision starts...\" (i.e. the point in the text rather than the point in time.)
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Note added at 11 hrs 34 mins (2005-03-07 10:25:24 GMT)
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To be more accurate, \"...as from the point at which the invalid/ineffective/unlawful/unworkable provision starts...\" (i.e. the point in the text rather than the point in time.)
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Comment: "Thank you, yes - it's got to be this, hasn't it?"
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Astrid Elke Witte
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I see it as temporal
From the time at which the provision may become invalid. However, I am not certain, since I have never come across this phrase in a severability clause before.
5 hrs
from the time such provision becomes invalid,....
something with "invalidity starts" does not sound so good
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