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we seem to always say : vin nouveaux in French and English

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Note added at 11 mins (2005-02-16 14:24:45 GMT)
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faibles débits = low levels or low production in this case
see also GDt for most of those terms

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Note added at 17 mins (2005-02-16 14:31:11 GMT)
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the Société des alcools du Québec (saq.com) uses vin nouveau for new wine - such Beaujolais nouveau - since vin nouveau is usually French Beaujolais but there\'s also vin nouveau Italien, I believe

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of tannic and pectin substances of the new wines.

seems it seems not to be about vin nouveau at all, but about the clogging of pipes ... not the same thing

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Note added at 2 hrs 5 mins (2005-02-16 16:18:47 GMT)
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instead of substances of the new wines:
elements in the new wines

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"The cause seems to be the levels of tannins and pectins in (the) young wines."
I assume "faibles débits" means that they're not managing to sell much of this stuff. I assume also that the reason is that young wines have too much tannin and pectin for customers' taste, these substances tending to decrease with ageing.
An option is to replace "...young wines." with "..."nouveaux" wines." I don't think "new wines" is acceptable.


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Note added at 1 hr 46 mins (2005-02-16 16:00:31 GMT)
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Technically, wines such as Beaujolais nouveau are \"vins primeurs\", not \"vins nouveaux\", as Dusty explains. Short fermentation, so perhaps lower tannins?
On the other hand, perhaps \"vins nouveaux\" here does mean new wines, in the sense of wines from new source countries, for example, and perhaps their tannin and pectin levels, high or low, are unusual to the taste of the target customers.

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Note added at 2 hrs 14 mins (2005-02-16 16:28:28 GMT)
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Asker\'s added information makes it clear that the above is not relevant and that I was wasting my time!

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I think that if it were 'young wines' they were talking about, the sentences in French would have read 'nouveaux vins' as opposed to 'vins nouveaux'.
Subtle difference?

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I think David has hit the nail on the head with this one, just wanted to add that more context would have helped --- for one thing, to understand if Dasvid's intepretation of 'faibles debits' is in fact correct (it does seem so eminently logical!), or if it might mean anything more literal?
Yes, absolutely for 'young wines' --- unless it means 'nouveaux' in the sense of 'Beaujolais nouveau', which is a special type of 'vin précoce' --- made by a 'fast-track' process, rather than simply young because not matured.... But certainly not 'new', which could be ambiguous with 'new types of wine' etc.

I did wonder if 'teneur particulière' had anything to do with 'particulate matter' blocking pipes and causing low flow-rate, but think this is too far-fetched, especially as I'm not aware of either pectid or tannic components having particles that large! But that was one of the ideas that went through my poor, addled, old head!

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Note added at 7 hrs 58 mins (2005-02-16 22:12:13 GMT)
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Well, you see, in the end, I did have the right idea after all! How about that, then! :-)