Sep 13, 2004 14:17
19 yrs ago
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French term
maitrise
French to English
Bus/Financial
Management
maitrise d'une ou plusieurs techniques. a utiliser dans une description de poste
"le titulaire doit avoir une maitrise totale de l'ensemble de competences..."
"le titulaire doit avoir une maitrise totale de l'ensemble de competences..."
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +3 | command |
Michael McCain (X)
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| 5 +4 | expertise |
Michele Fauble
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| 4 +2 | must possess a total mastery of all of the/these skills |
RHELLER
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| 4 +2 | fully versed in/ familiar with/ skilled |
jarry (X)
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| 5 +1 | must master one or more of these skills |
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
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| 4 +1 | mastery |
Marian Greenfield
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| 4 +1 | ...must thoroughly/deeply master this skillset |
Michel A.
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| 4 | must be in full possession of all these skills |
CMJ_Trans (X)
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Proposed translations
+3
7 mins
Selected
command
the candidate/applicant must have total command of all of the skills (required for this position, etc.).
or
the candidate/applicant must possess all of the skills (required for this position, etc.).
or
the candidate/applicant must have full mastery of the skills (required for this position, etc.).
or
the candidate/applicant must possess all of the skills (required for this position, etc.).
or
the candidate/applicant must have full mastery of the skills (required for this position, etc.).
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "if excellentknowledge and significant experience are added to "strong command, it could be OK ? thanks"
+1
1 min
Marian Greenfield
Native in English
Specializes in field
Over 30 years in financial translation
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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10
mastery
Declined
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Peer comment(s):
| agree |
RHELLER
0 min
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thanks
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| agree |
Richard Benham
: Yeah, it works. The only reason to avoid it is the standard irrational "faux-ami-phobia".
2 hrs
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I agree... thanks
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jarry (X)
: Anglo-saxons prefer the 'understatement' and would never 'claim to 'know it all' as implied by the term "full mastery".
3 hrs
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I don't about Brits... but we Murricans are not known for understatement... especially those of us from the NY Metropolitan region...
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Comment: "doesn't seem naturally English. too borrowed from the French"
+2
2 mins
must possess a total mastery of all of the/these skills
Declined
literal
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Richard Benham
: See my note to Marian's answer. Same applies here.
2 hrs
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thanks Richard!
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| agree |
Adriana Adarve (X)
12 hrs
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+1
4 mins
...must thoroughly/deeply master this skillset
Declined
- must've a perfect command of this skillset
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Richard Benham
: "Thoroughly master" is good, "deeply" less so. "Skillset" is jargon: why not :these skills"? "Have" can only be reduced to "'ve" when it's an auxiliary, not when it's used as a verb in its own right. Cheers.//HR itself is jargon for "personnel management"
2 hrs
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Merci Richard, mais skillset est employé en HR et dans les PA en permanence, oui c du jargon :-)
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+4
22 mins
Michele Fauble
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Native English
Native in: English
Works in: Norwegian to English, Danish to English, Swedish to English
expertise
an option
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
sarahl (X)
23 mins
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thanks
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| agree |
Iolanta Vlaykova Paneva
1 hr
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thanks
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Richard Benham
: OK. Yes it's an option, but I don't see any reason to avoid the obvious here.
2 hrs
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thanks
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| agree |
Hebe Martorella
: it also another option
4 hrs
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thanks
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1 hr
must be in full possession of all these skills
Declined
possess the full range of these skills
+2
6 mins
fully versed in/ familiar with/ skilled
22 years with one of the Big Four global business service providers in the auditing, accounting, consultance, taxation and translation divisions.
I think mastery is too far-fetched.
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Note added at 7 mins (2004-09-13 14:24:47 GMT)
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Sorry, that should be consultancY!
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Note added at 2 hrs 48 mins (2004-09-13 17:05:26 GMT)
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Une maitrise totale. That\'s asking for the moon. Who has TOTAL mastery of any subject?
Peer comment(s):
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Richard Benham
: Your answer is fine as an alternative, but I don't see anything wrong with "mastery".//What I would claim for myself and what I demand of others are two different things. I agree that Fr often uses stronger forms than Eng: perfectionnement is another case
2 hrs
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I think 'mastery' is over the top. Would you use that noun in your CV? See my comment to Marian Greenfield's suggested answer.
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Johanne Bouthillier
: I like fully versed in best
15 hrs
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+1
6 mins
must master one or more of these skills
Declined
English prefers a verb to a known in the context of this kind of sentence, IMO
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Note added at 9 mins (2004-09-13 14:26:40 GMT)
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... of English as we understand that students ***must master these skills ****in order ... Superintendent Peggy Bennett, Assistant Superintendent, Human Resources Kathy Eisler ...
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Note added at 10 mins (2004-09-13 14:27:21 GMT)
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SORRY: I meant NOUN not known
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Note added at 10 mins (2004-09-13 14:28:10 GMT)
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It\'s too hard to google but I know that in English, we would use...must master rather than the noun
cheers
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Note added at 4 hrs 45 mins (2004-09-13 19:02:21 GMT)
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first time: one or more
next time: master ALL the skills
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Note added at 9 mins (2004-09-13 14:26:40 GMT)
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... of English as we understand that students ***must master these skills ****in order ... Superintendent Peggy Bennett, Assistant Superintendent, Human Resources Kathy Eisler ...
www.eusd4kids.org/Sarc/linpri.pdf - Similar pages
[PDF] ILR 0101 Exec.Sum/inside.1File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
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Note added at 10 mins (2004-09-13 14:27:21 GMT)
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SORRY: I meant NOUN not known
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Note added at 10 mins (2004-09-13 14:28:10 GMT)
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It\'s too hard to google but I know that in English, we would use...must master rather than the noun
cheers
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Note added at 4 hrs 45 mins (2004-09-13 19:02:21 GMT)
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first time: one or more
next time: master ALL the skills
Peer comment(s):
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RHELLER
: one or more? for totale de l'ensemble?
4 mins
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oh please..it's one or more...
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Richard Benham
: Works well where it fits in grammatically. If it's just an itemized list of requirements, then you'd use the noun. If it's a full sentence, as you say, the verb is more idiomatic in English.
2 hrs
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