Dec 3, 2023 22:47
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Japanese term
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自分のタメに頑張るモンじゃねえの？
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Japanese to English
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Cinema, Film, TV, Drama
Dear ProZ members,
I'm wondering how should I interpret the following sentence from a cartoon.
A jazz trio does a lot of rehearsal in order to be ready for their first live show. Member A, who is a beginner, is not skilled enough yet, so member B suggests to postpone the live. However, member C insists that they shouldn't lose time, and the band goes live.
The show goes quite well, but it was clear that A's level was very low, leading to him being frustrated about his performance.
B, talking with C, says again that waiting a bit more would have been the best choice to avoid A feeling sad. C, however, insists that everything's fine and that A just need to persevere in his training.
C replies: 頑張るってのは本人のため、自分のタメに頑張るモンじゃねえの？
Attempt #1: When a person persevere, he does it for himself. We persevere for ourselves, am I right?
Attempt #2: When a person persevere, he does it for himself and not for you/us.
What do you think about it?
#1 seems to ignore the comma, I think it would work better if the original text was composed by two sentences (actually, the way it's acted goes a bit in that direction).
With #2 I can't understand the question mark at the end. In this interpretation じゃねえの is not rethorical like in #1, so I don't get why the sentence ends with "の？".
Thank you so much for your help!
I'm wondering how should I interpret the following sentence from a cartoon.
A jazz trio does a lot of rehearsal in order to be ready for their first live show. Member A, who is a beginner, is not skilled enough yet, so member B suggests to postpone the live. However, member C insists that they shouldn't lose time, and the band goes live.
The show goes quite well, but it was clear that A's level was very low, leading to him being frustrated about his performance.
B, talking with C, says again that waiting a bit more would have been the best choice to avoid A feeling sad. C, however, insists that everything's fine and that A just need to persevere in his training.
C replies: 頑張るってのは本人のため、自分のタメに頑張るモンじゃねえの？
Attempt #1: When a person persevere, he does it for himself. We persevere for ourselves, am I right?
Attempt #2: When a person persevere, he does it for himself and not for you/us.
What do you think about it?
#1 seems to ignore the comma, I think it would work better if the original text was composed by two sentences (actually, the way it's acted goes a bit in that direction).
With #2 I can't understand the question mark at the end. In this interpretation じゃねえの is not rethorical like in #1, so I don't get why the sentence ends with "の？".
Thank you so much for your help!
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Eduardo L Confortin
Brazil
Brazil
Brazil
Native in: Portuguese 
Works in: English to Portuguese, Japanese to Portuguese, Portuguese to English, and 1 more.
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Persevering is for the sake of the actual person. We persevere for our own sake, you know?
The "の" can have quite a few functions, which goes beyond the scope of this thread, but in this particular case, it's being used to emphasize the speaker's assertion. It's worded like a question, but the person is quite sure of himself, to the point of being just an statement.
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Comment: "Thank you so much!"
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8 hrs
Gabriel dos Santos Xavier
Japan
Japan
Japan
Linguistics BA, 5+ years in translation
Native in: Portuguese (Variant: Brazilian)
Works in: English to Portuguese, Japanese to Portuguese
Japanese term (edited):
頑張るってのは本人のため、自分のために頑張るモンじゃねえの？
Isn't persevering something you do for your own sake [too]?
"too" added at the end for better flow, but ultimately optional.
It does look like a rhetorical question to me. From the description of the scene that you gave, C sounds rather dismissive of A's feelings and means to say that A should just keep pushing forward and doing his best for his own sake, regardless of how he feels about it.
"Well, persevering is something you [should] do for your own sake [too], isn't it?" would be another good translation too, in my opinion, with a more dismissive tone.
It does look like a rhetorical question to me. From the description of the scene that you gave, C sounds rather dismissive of A's feelings and means to say that A should just keep pushing forward and doing his best for his own sake, regardless of how he feels about it.
"Well, persevering is something you [should] do for your own sake [too], isn't it?" would be another good translation too, in my opinion, with a more dismissive tone.
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Roni Glaser
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Germany
Translations in Medicine, Music and more
Native in: English (Variant: British) , Hebrew
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English, Japanese to English
What, don't we bust our asses for ourselves too?
The other answers like Gabriel's are decent, I would adjust the register a little to match the use of katakana (タメ、モン) and "じゃねえ".
"Persevere" could be a bit unnatural in this context, just "work hard" might also be OK if the speaker doesn't look like the type to say "bust our asses", and it could be good to include a few alternatives in the conversation.
"Our" felt more natural to me, including the speaker and the rest of the band more strongly, but the impersonal "you" that Gabriel used sounds fine to me too. You'll have to decide yourself from the broader context :)
頑張ってね！:)
"Persevere" could be a bit unnatural in this context, just "work hard" might also be OK if the speaker doesn't look like the type to say "bust our asses", and it could be good to include a few alternatives in the conversation.
"Our" felt more natural to me, including the speaker and the rest of the band more strongly, but the impersonal "you" that Gabriel used sounds fine to me too. You'll have to decide yourself from the broader context :)
頑張ってね！:)
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ADEEL SIRAJ
Japan
Japan
Native in English
Specializes in field
Japan
I.D. Civil, Films, Anime and Manga
Native in: English
Works in: Japanese to English, English to Japanese
One fights for oneself. Isn't that why we stay in the fight?
I like the term "fight" because it is used in both languages.
I don't know how well the term suits when practicing for music skills but I thought that "staying in the fight" sounded more manga than "persevere".
I don't know how well the term suits when practicing for music skills but I thought that "staying in the fight" sounded more manga than "persevere".
Discussion
Attempt #1: When a person perseveres, he does it for himself. We persevere for ourselves, am I right?
の is a particle used a lot in speech. Initially in earlier Japanese, it was used by women a lot. Now a lot of men use it as well.
In this case it adds the nuance of like "aren't you?" Or isn't that so?" to the sentence.