Jul 20, 2022 11:33
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French term
responsabilité d’ordre publique
French to English
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Law (general)
Case involving a spa type establishment. Leaks occurred after some major construction work.
"La société AAA ne conteste pas le caractère décennal de ces désordres.
Elle ne conteste pas avoir été en charge de la réalisation de ces bassins et de leur étanchéité.
De ce seul constat, la responsabilité décennale de l’entreprise, responsabilité de plein droit et d’ordre publique, est nécessairement engagée."
My stab at this is "strict liability which is also a matter of public policy". But that sounds rubbish. I'm not clear about what distinction they're trying to make between responsabilité d’ordre publique and responsabilité "classique"... (or "bog standard" or "plain vanilla").
"La société AAA ne conteste pas le caractère décennal de ces désordres.
Elle ne conteste pas avoir été en charge de la réalisation de ces bassins et de leur étanchéité.
De ce seul constat, la responsabilité décennale de l’entreprise, responsabilité de plein droit et d’ordre publique, est nécessairement engagée."
My stab at this is "strict liability which is also a matter of public policy". But that sounds rubbish. I'm not clear about what distinction they're trying to make between responsabilité d’ordre publique and responsabilité "classique"... (or "bog standard" or "plain vanilla").
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Adrian MM.
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responsabilité d’ordre public
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absolute (public-tort) liability
> as per Conor's reference to mandatory for d'ordre public in Bridge.
A public tort - that others may be more qualified to expand on, as my girth is expanding alarmingly in the heat - relates to e.g. a public nuisance.
Note that, despite misgudied g/hits, absolute (no defenc/ses) is not the same as strict liability (limited defen/ses).
A public tort - that others may be more qualified to expand on, as my girth is expanding alarmingly in the heat - relates to e.g. a public nuisance.
Note that, despite misgudied g/hits, absolute (no defenc/ses) is not the same as strict liability (limited defen/ses).
Example sentence:
USA: Public tort or government-sponsored lawsuits are actions by federal, state, or local government entities to recover the cost of public services
In strict liability, which is also called absolute liability (*NO*), there is no requirement to establish negligence, lack of care or recklessness.
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Thanks, Chris. The Winzar and R. vs. Larsonneur absolute-liability, 'state-of-affairs' liability cases have certainly caused controvery, at least in criminal law https://www.lawteacher.net/cases/actus-reus-cases.php
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Merci and efaristo, Anastasia.
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Conor McAuley
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mandatorily / necessarily / of necessity
Working backwards:
"exposed to xyz liability" I see in my notes.
So, one of the terms above to fit into that phrase, based on FHS Bridge's:
"D'ordre public - a matter of public policy and hence *mandatory*".
I think the lawyer is essentially just stressing the point that the contractor is wholly liable.
Only Medium confidence.
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Note added at 12 mins (2022-07-20 11:45:58 GMT)
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Bridge.
See at the bottom of the entry for "public'.
https://books.google.fr/books?id=rQAKtn-XjzIC&pg=PA223&lpg=P...
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Note added at 16 mins (2022-07-20 11:49:40 GMT)
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Sorry, the Bridge link won't post to the site properly.
Near the bottom of column 1 on page 223 of my 1994 edition, anyway.
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Note added at 19 mins (2022-07-20 11:52:22 GMT)
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Not optional at all, nope!
"exposed to xyz liability" I see in my notes.
So, one of the terms above to fit into that phrase, based on FHS Bridge's:
"D'ordre public - a matter of public policy and hence *mandatory*".
I think the lawyer is essentially just stressing the point that the contractor is wholly liable.
Only Medium confidence.
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Note added at 12 mins (2022-07-20 11:45:58 GMT)
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Bridge.
See at the bottom of the entry for "public'.
https://books.google.fr/books?id=rQAKtn-XjzIC&pg=PA223&lpg=P...
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Note added at 16 mins (2022-07-20 11:49:40 GMT)
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Sorry, the Bridge link won't post to the site properly.
Near the bottom of column 1 on page 223 of my 1994 edition, anyway.
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Note added at 19 mins (2022-07-20 11:52:22 GMT)
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Not optional at all, nope!
Note from asker:
| Yup, works. So, both mandatory and strict. Both strict and mandatory. ... not optional! |
| ... as opposed to optional liability? If you're the perp that's the best kind, obviously! |
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Public accountability
In the context, I think that the AAA establishment has to justify or to answer for the facts. It's like "rendre des comptes".
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liability as a matter of/in terms of public policy
see FHS Bridge for public policy as one definition of ordre publique
Myhunch is that this about a partcularly stringent degree of liability
Not entirly sure whather our English notion of "strict liability" (e.g. selling contaminated food) works here but I suspect that it does
Myhunch is that this about a partcularly stringent degree of liability
Not entirly sure whather our English notion of "strict liability" (e.g. selling contaminated food) works here but I suspect that it does
Note from asker:
| Thanks. I suppose the question is in what way "responsabilité de plein droit" (which can be translated as "strict liability") differs from "responsabilité d'ordre public". In the writer's mind that is. I'm getting a whiff of poor drafting actually: suspect that (s)he just means "strict". But in their mind there does appear to be a difference. |
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Reference:
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https://www.studocu.com/fr/document/universite-paris-nanterr...
Cours 1 : responsabilité civile - 20/01 - StuDocu
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La responsabilité délictuelle est une responsabilité d'ordre publique : à aucun moment, une victime ne peut renoncer d'avances à demander réparation d'un ...
Miscelâneas - La Ville | Jorge Mario Jáuregui
http://www.jauregui.arq.br › miscela...
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Tous les bâtiments ont une dimension privée et publique. Le compromis de la ville consiste à déployer au maximum cette responsabilité d'ordre publique. Rambla ...
Structures de gestion des rivalités d'usage du paysage: Une ...
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Jean D Gerber · 2006 · Political Science
... cela était encore nécessaire combien la protection du milieu naturel est désormais considérée comme une responsabilité d'ordre publique (Bisang et al.
Cours 1 : responsabilité civile - 20/01 - StuDocu
https://www.studocu.com › document
· Translate this page
La responsabilité délictuelle est une responsabilité d'ordre publique : à aucun moment, une victime ne peut renoncer d'avances à demander réparation d'un ...
Miscelâneas - La Ville | Jorge Mario Jáuregui
http://www.jauregui.arq.br › miscela...
· Translate this page
Tous les bâtiments ont une dimension privée et publique. Le compromis de la ville consiste à déployer au maximum cette responsabilité d'ordre publique. Rambla ...
Structures de gestion des rivalités d'usage du paysage: Une ...
https://books.google.co.uk › books
· Translate this page
Jean D Gerber · 2006 · Political Science
... cela était encore nécessaire combien la protection du milieu naturel est désormais considérée comme une responsabilité d'ordre publique (Bisang et al.
Discussion
Not entirely sure whether the same principles can be transposed outre-Manche