AllegroTrans Mar 4, 2022:

Proper context please vms Unless all you want is guesswork

Nikki Scott-Despaigne Mar 4, 2022:

Context, cat's pyjamas and bees' knees A "prise en charge" can also refer to socio-medical care or even refer to expenses of some kind. More context is required here. The background always helps. Placing the term in an extract of the original language version of your text is better still. And the cat's pyjamas and bees' knees is attained when the full sentence in which the term is given, along with the sentence before and after the sentence concerned.

AllegroTrans Mar 4, 2022:

Thank you But it would be much clearer if you could post the actual text in French. People with legal translation experience will then have a much beter idea of what is going on here. The snippet you have posted so far allows for too many possibilities

vmscofield (asker) Mar 4, 2022:

AllegroTrans This is a document established by a Togolese court following the death of the father of a child, mother is not found and has not manifested herself. The order transfers the care of the child from a Togolese woman to her sister who lives with her husband in the United States and who has been providing for the child. They have accepted to take care of the child officially.
The document only establishes that although the child has lived (and maybe still lives with a woman in Togo, that's not specified), her sister and brother in law have been taking care of the child financially. I have no idea what these documents are going to be used for. So it does not talk about guardianship or fostering, just care of his needs. This is what is recognized in this document.

AllegroTrans Mar 3, 2022:

Asker We need more context please. Please post the wording of the order (anonymising of course).

Daryo Mar 3, 2022:

@vmscofield In UK there are plenty of children sent from Africa to family relatives living in UK, to stay with them for years. Seems to be a kind of local custom.

That's NOT what is in UK called "foster care" - arranged by local authorities, nor what would be a "care order" in US.

This "Ordonnance portant attestation de prise en charge" is basically the local court in Togo confirming a private arrangement to send a child to live more or less permanently with extended family abroad.

Other possibility (in some other context): international adoption, if this "family outside of the country" are not relatives.

Also, there is nothing to say that this "prise en charge" has to be a durable arrangement. It could very well be no more than a temporary arrangement for someone to take care of the child while visiting abroad.

This court order should be quoting the legislation it's based on - you can always check what the local law says, if you can find it online.

Mpoma Mar 3, 2022:

Phil's solution Actually Phil is technically correct when he says "are all fine".

Technically, the risk of someone actually reading that document, having sufficient linguistic and legal competence to be able to compare it to the French, then doing the boring business of actually going back to the translation agency and identifying the translator who was not able or couldn't be bothered to translate it is very low.

Even in that eventuality the agency would at worst just ask for a slight rebate and maybe feel slightly less inclined to use you in future. So to almost all intents and purposes, we can conclude that all are, for all practical purposes, fine.

vmscofield (asker) Mar 3, 2022:

I agree it is not an "ordonnance de prise en charge". Also, Care order in the US means that the child's care is put in the hands of the local authority or State.

AllegroTrans Mar 3, 2022:

NB It doesn't say "Ordonnance de prise en charge" but "Ordonnance portant ATTESTATION de prise en charge"

AllegroTrans Mar 3, 2022:

Phil Care, guardianship or custody order are all quite different.
The only CORRECT translation is the one that most accurately reflects the legal status (under Togolese law) of this "taking over" of the child. Approximation here is just copping out. A court order is a legal document and needs to be translated properly.

philgoddard Mar 3, 2022:

Care, guardianship or custody order are all fine.

vmscofield (asker) Mar 3, 2022:

This is a document established by a Togolese court following the death of the father of a child, mother is not found and has not manifested herself. The order transfers the care of the child from a Togolese woman to her sister who lives with her husband in the United States and who has been providing for the child. They have accepted to take care of the child officially.

AllegroTrans Mar 3, 2022:

We need more context Were these care proceedings? Adoption proceedings? A dispute over the custody of a child (e.g. in a divorce)? This is essential context in my view. Also would be useful to know the name of the court

vmscofield (asker) Mar 3, 2022:

Is care order always meaning that the child is now in the care of local authority or could it mean in the care of a person?

vmscofield (asker) Mar 3, 2022:

It's actually the title of the document. It's a document transferring the care of a child to a family outside of the country.

Mpoma Mar 3, 2022:

More context? Re your suggestion: I'd have said that "ordonnance de prise en charge" would be "care order" in this context. Here we have something involving a declaration or certificate. Could you include more text from before and after this expression?