Jun 30, 2020 00:35
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French term

mais une exigence ou un combat.

French to English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
Evidemment on pourrait fonder un orchestre, ou faire du théâtre dans la rue. Animer, comme on dit, le quartier. Souder ensemble les gens d’une rue ou d’un groupe de rues par autre chose qu’une simple connivence, mais une exigence ou un combat.
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Jun 30, 2020 03:14: philgoddard changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Other"

Discussion

cchat Jun 30, 2020:
par autre chose qu’une simple connivence, mais une The French seems somewhat unbalanced. The expression "par autre chose que" generally precedes the final part of a sentence. Following it by "mais" without a qualifier does not sound quite right. Using "mais plutôt par" might make it easier to translate.

Proposed translations

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but rather to make demands or fight for a cause

I think that this translation conveys the intent of the original sentence. Yet, there must be a shorter way to say it.
Peer comment(s):

agree Yolanda Broad
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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but rather to put on a show or competition

not much more than a guess

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Note added at 19 mins (2020-06-30 00:54:16 GMT)
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"or a competition" is better in English
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but to meet a need or fight for something

I assume that's what "combat"means.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Séverine Watson : This would work if "combat" is intended in a positive way, however it strikes me that it may also be construed as the idea of tackling or combatting injustices for example. I may be off the mark here, but just wanted to float that idea!
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Tackling or combating injustice means fighting for justice.
agree Victoria Britten
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but a call or cause

Hello

It's not just about having two words that start with a "C" following "connivance" but at very first glance, I thought that "combat" (in French) was "cause" in English (to fight for a cause).
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But (instead) to demand or protest

My stab at it. Using it as a tool, to tackle an issue (I sense the underlying French idea of 'engagé').

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I.e. to make a point
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but by making demands on them [the people], making them fight

This is the term taken from page 82 of the book entitled 'Georges Perenc's Geographies' talking about communities, neighbourhoods and "togetherness".

Here's the exerpt: "[Perenc] would be less opposed to the collective practice of street theatre, or of music, and he does not close down the idea of there being other means of binding people - 'making demands on them, making them fight'..."

I hope the link works properly as it came from my Google search:
https://books.google.fr/books?id=_i26DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA82&lpg=PA...

Big thanks to @cchat for the helpful reference.
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but (for) a need or a cause

Not happy with the idea of a fight or a struggle
Peer comment(s):

agree Cathy Rosamond : Short and to the point.
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thank you
agree Brigitte Pirot (X)
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Reference comments

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Reference:

In rhetoric, exigence is an issue, problem, or situation that causes or prompts someone to write or speak. The term exigence comes from the Latin word for "demand." It was popularized in rhetorical studies by Lloyd Bitzer in "The Rhetorical Situation" ("Philosophy and Rhetoric," 1968).
Peer comments on this reference comment:

neutral philgoddard : Exigence means need.
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agree ormiston : Phil, not necessarily
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Reference:

quote from Georges Perec

It's apparently a frequently quoted text by Georges Perec.
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree writeaway
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