Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
mit Vorbehalt
English translation:
subject to any challenge to the validity [of the will] or to the status of the heirs
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Andy S
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German term
mit Vorbehalt
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Wills
From a document serving notice of a will from a Swiss Teilungsamt.
I see "with prejuduce" is given in an earlier Kudoz entry but is that really correct in this context?:
"Besonders zu beachten ist Art. 559 ZGB. Er lautet: "Nach Ablauf eines Monats seit der Mitteilung an
die Beteiligten wird den eingesetzten Erben, wenn die gesetzlichen Erben oder die aus einer früheren Verfügung Bedachten nicht ausdrücklich deren Berechtigung bestritten haben, auf ihr Verlangen von der Behörde eine Bescheinigung darüber ausgestellt, dass sie unter Vorbehalt der Ungültigkeitsklage und der Erbschaftsklage als Erben anerkannt seien. Zugleich wird gegebenen Falles der Erbschaftsverwalter angewiesen, ihnen die Erbschaft auszuliefern."
I see "with prejuduce" is given in an earlier Kudoz entry but is that really correct in this context?:
"Besonders zu beachten ist Art. 559 ZGB. Er lautet: "Nach Ablauf eines Monats seit der Mitteilung an
die Beteiligten wird den eingesetzten Erben, wenn die gesetzlichen Erben oder die aus einer früheren Verfügung Bedachten nicht ausdrücklich deren Berechtigung bestritten haben, auf ihr Verlangen von der Behörde eine Bescheinigung darüber ausgestellt, dass sie unter Vorbehalt der Ungültigkeitsklage und der Erbschaftsklage als Erben anerkannt seien. Zugleich wird gegebenen Falles der Erbschaftsverwalter angewiesen, ihnen die Erbschaft auszuliefern."
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German term (edited):
unter Vorbehalt der Ungültigkeitsklage und der Erbschaftsklage
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subject to any challenge to the validity [of the will] or to the status of the heirs
I think "caveat" is incorrect here, in that it is not mentioned by the author and the the proceedings are presently at a prior stage to a caveat.
Alternative (more risky, by referring to an action): subject to any action challenging the validity [of the will] or the status of one or more heirs as heirs.
Alternative (more risky, by referring to an action): subject to any action challenging the validity [of the will] or the status of one or more heirs as heirs.
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Adrian MM.
: caveat is an extra-judicial challenge in E&W but betokens a litigious stage > Ungültigkeitsklage .
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You are getting into depths of conditional mood v. subjunctive mood etc. My point is that the author is presuming his/her ignorance of whether there is or will be a challenge to a will or the proposed disposition (e.g. Declaration of Inheritance).
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German term (edited):
unter Vorbehalt der Ungültigkeitsklage
subject to the caveat (E&W: entered) of an impending probate action for...
Warning /'caveat' has a technical meaning in English probate to stop a grant of probate pending possible litigation and is equivalent to a 'caution' in UK land registration to stop first reg. of the land or dealings therein, though - from my own experience - many veteran UK, especially conveyancing, Solicitors who should know better mix up the two.
Example sentence:
Once a caveat has been issued by the Probate registry, this then prevents a grant of probate or grant of letters of administration being issued by the Court
Reference:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/finance-general/1680736-genereller-vorbehalt.html
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absent a Will contest
ein Testament f. ungültig erklären lassen= challenge or contest a Will
"If you believe that you have not received a sufficient benefit under a Will and you fit certain criteria, you may be able to challenge a Will. Contesting a Will means applying to the court to have the Will, or parts of the Will, deemed invalid"
https://www.legalwills.ca/blog/challenge-a-will/
also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_contest
"Vorbehaltlich"= absent/ in the absence of
Here, it states that in the absence of a will contest, the testimony of only one witness to the will is needed to validate it.
https://www.matthewyulaw.com/blog/2019/03/proving-a-will-in-...
Absent a will contest, a temporary administration will usually only be granted if there is an emergency. The probate court can order a temporary administration regardless of whether the decedent died with or without a will.
https://houston-probate-law.com/probate/preliminary/temporar...
"If you believe that you have not received a sufficient benefit under a Will and you fit certain criteria, you may be able to challenge a Will. Contesting a Will means applying to the court to have the Will, or parts of the Will, deemed invalid"
https://www.legalwills.ca/blog/challenge-a-will/
also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_contest
"Vorbehaltlich"= absent/ in the absence of
Here, it states that in the absence of a will contest, the testimony of only one witness to the will is needed to validate it.
https://www.matthewyulaw.com/blog/2019/03/proving-a-will-in-...
Absent a will contest, a temporary administration will usually only be granted if there is an emergency. The probate court can order a temporary administration regardless of whether the decedent died with or without a will.
https://houston-probate-law.com/probate/preliminary/temporar...
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Adrian MM.
: ... is AmE whilst this is E&W, plus a 'contest' (t)here does not imply a Klage.//Thx. Perhaps give a UK website: 'A handful of states, incl. Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, North Dakota & Ohio, allow a person who makes a will .... to "pre-validate"(!) it..'
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https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-a-will-contest-and-when-c...
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Reference:
ZGB in English
559.
After the lapse of a month after notice to the beneficiaries, IV. Transfer of
the appointed heirs shall receive upon their demand from the * I""^"*-
court a certificate that they are recognized as heirs, subject
to the suit for invalidity or for the inheritance, provided the
legal heirs or those named in an earlier will have not expressly
contested their right thereto.
After the lapse of a month after notice to the beneficiaries, IV. Transfer of
the appointed heirs shall receive upon their demand from the * I""^"*-
court a certificate that they are recognized as heirs, subject
to the suit for invalidity or for the inheritance, provided the
legal heirs or those named in an earlier will have not expressly
contested their right thereto.
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