Apr 2, 2019 12:29
5 yrs ago
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French term

lequel nous a exhibé

Non-PRO French to English Other Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs Certificate (Birth)
(nom du père)..le quel nous (mayor) a exhibé un enfant du sexe masculin et qu' il a déclaré être né .....

My take: presented herewith a son?
Change log

Apr 2, 2019 15:41: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "le quel nous a exhibé " to "lequel nous a exhibé "

Apr 2, 2019 16:23: Rachel Fell changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (3): Yvonne Gallagher, Germaine, Rachel Fell

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Discussion

Daryo Apr 3, 2019:
1861 ... sounds about right - typical for African French - you still find in current use what has become an archaeological layer of French in France, or in this case in Belgium.
Ph_B (X) Apr 2, 2019:
Thank you. So that's a former Belgian colony and there is indeed at least one Belgian ref. (1861!) on the Net that uses this phrase.
pooja_chic (asker) Apr 2, 2019:
Kinshasa
Ph_B (X) Apr 2, 2019:
pooja_chic, Could you please tell us in what country this birth certificate was issued and whether it was written in French originally? Isn't there anything else you could tell us about the context of this exhibition? The meaning of your text is clear but I find the whole thing (scene and language) unusual.
pooja_chic (asker) Apr 2, 2019:
sorry, herewith is a mistake!
Tony M Apr 2, 2019:
@ Asker Where are you getting 'herewith" from?
'le quel' (really 'lequel') simply refers to the 'père' — so 'who'.

Proposed translations

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who (BrE) has produced to ('Royal Plural': us) me (AmE) did show me

produced, rather than reproduced, which is why I traditionally used 'showed' for the FRE of exhiber and ESP of exhibir.

Also the usage of has vs. did needs to be watched Transatlantically; BrE 'Have you seen that film with that Pinewood Studios actress?'; AmE : 'Did you see that movie with that gorgeous Hollywood actor?'. India ?

Funnily enough, in many countries the baby in point need not be produced by the 'informant' to the Superintendent Registrar etc.
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M
21 mins
Merci and thanks!
agree katsy
2 hrs
Merci and thanks!
disagree Eliza Hall : I'm with Writeaway. "Produced" is odd for a baby, or any human being. It sounds like you were hiding your baby in your pocket or glove compartment until asked to produce it.
3 hrs
You are quite right. That is why I suggested 'showed' in the 2nd part alternative that you, for some reason, have ignored.
agree AllegroTrans : OK for "show" to me: not OK for royal we/us; pleased to see you are not suggesting "bespeak" a child
7 hrs
Thanks for your vote of confidence. No birth certificate to 'bespeak' at the mo, as I used to bespeak UK land & bankruptcy etc, searches up to half a century ago. Good to see that you, unlike above female avengers, have considered the second alternative.
neutral Yvonne Gallagher : "produced" sounds like a magician producing a rabbit from a hat! Though "show" could work if phrased right
19 hrs
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48 mins
French term (edited): le quel nous a exhibé

who presented us with

le quel = lequel = masculine who/which (grammatical subject).

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Note added at 2 hrs (2019-04-02 15:04:10 GMT)
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PS: The first definition of "present" (verb) is, "to bring or introduce into the presence of someone especially of superior rank or status."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/present
Peer comment(s):

neutral writeaway : 'enfant du sexe masculin' tends to indicate a male I'd have thought. Not so sure about the 'presented us with'
4 mins
Lequel isn't referring to the child, it's referring to the father. But yes, they're both male. Unclear what your comment actually means...
neutral Tony M : Doesn't that rather sound like "presented us with a gold watch..." Surely rather 'presented ... to us...'?
9 mins
Either one (to or with) can mean giving someone a gold watch/Olympic medal/etc. And either one can mean to introduce socially or to show.
agree Trevino Translations (X) : Just "_____ presented...". An "us" would indicate that the child was a gift. But this is just a mayor being notified of a birth, if I'm not mistaken.
21 mins
You're right about the mayor's being notified. But an indirect object doesn't make the verb mean "giving a gift to someone." It just tells you to whom the child is being introduced/presented.
neutral Yvonne Gallagher : with other comments but "presented" definitely better than "produced". Needs rephrasing
33 mins
disagree Daryo : 'presented ... to us...'? as in "shown to us"? I don't think the father intended "to present the Mayor with" - to leave his son as a gift to the Mayor ...
1 hr
Presenting to or presenting with can both mean giving an object to someone ("the gold medal was presented to the winning sprinter"). And either one can also mean introducing one person to another. The preposition doesn't determine the meaning.
neutral Stephanie Benoist : if it involves "the mayor" it may be instead "la Mairie", which is city hall, so the text could be a standard birth declaration (in France, this is done at city hall, not at the hospital like in the US)
2 hrs
Sure, but the word is still "nous," and in this context la Mairie doesn't mean the building. It means the mayor, or whatever other competent authority at the Mairie you show babies to. In other words, a person at the Mairie: nous, us.
agree Jennifer White : ..who presented to us a male child and declared....Can't see the problem really.
8 hrs
Thx. Me neither.
neutral AllegroTrans : with others, but "presented to me" would work; I would avoid the "royal" we though // In 40 years of involvement with the Crown Court and County Courts in England, I bave never seen the royal we used.
8 hrs
You do see the royal we in English-language legal and court documents, though. And it's in the French.
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4 hrs

came before us today...

I think another option might possibly be to modify the verbiage a little bit and say something to the effect of:

"Came before us (or "the mayor", or "at city hall") today [name of father] with a male newborn, who he has stated was born..."
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : I think that is taking unnecessary liberties with a very basic text, and really amounts to over-interpretation.
39 mins
Perhaps. In a way, though, it is a similar notion to Eliza's "present" in that the father is presenting today with the infant...
agree Yvonne Gallagher : Yes, most natural English. Don't agree with Tony. (Name of father) came before us (the mayor/at city hall) (today?) to present his infant son, who he declared was born..." (Edited as Jennifer right about not including "newborn"
16 hrs
Thank you.
neutral Jennifer White : NOT newborn son. How do you know it is a new-born? It's a male child, pure and simple./Agreed but the child may not be newborn and this should not be included. (90 days allowed in the DRC for registering the birth)
18 hrs
You may be right on that point; assumed it relates to registering a birth which seems less likely to occur after the child has grown up.../Granted - but it seems quite reasonable given that newborn is defined as a recently OR just-born child?
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