Apr 22, 2018 23:52
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German term
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Native in: Russian (Variant: Standard-Russia)
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den Aufenthalt eingreifen
German to English
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Dear colleagues! Please help translate the phrase marked by gears. The full passage is below:
Für die Bestimmung des auf die Scheidung anzuwendenden Rechts ist vorliegend die deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit der Ehegatten massgebend, weil die Voraussetzungen einer vorrangigen anknupfung an einen gewonlichen Aufenthalt der Ehegatten zum relevanten Zeitpunkt nicht vorliegen. Zum Zeitpunkt der Anrufung des Gerichts hatten die Ehegatten **ihren gewöhnlichen Aufenthalt in verschiedenen Staaten sodass Artikel 8 lit. b der Verordnung nicht eingreift**.
Für die Bestimmung des auf die Scheidung anzuwendenden Rechts ist vorliegend die deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit der Ehegatten massgebend, weil die Voraussetzungen einer vorrangigen anknupfung an einen gewonlichen Aufenthalt der Ehegatten zum relevanten Zeitpunkt nicht vorliegen. Zum Zeitpunkt der Anrufung des Gerichts hatten die Ehegatten **ihren gewöhnlichen Aufenthalt in verschiedenen Staaten sodass Artikel 8 lit. b der Verordnung nicht eingreift**.
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German term (edited):
sodass Artikel 8 nicht eingreift
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so that (with the effect) Article 8 does not apply
They had their permanent residence in different states/countrie/jurisdictions, so that (with the effect / meaning that) Article 8 does not apply
Incorrectly parsed sentence.
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so that (with the effect that) Article 8 does not apply
See meaning 3 here: https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/eingreifen
come into action (i.e. apply to a case)
Incorrectly parsed sentence.
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so that (with the effect that) Article 8 does not apply
See meaning 3 here: https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/eingreifen
come into action (i.e. apply to a case)
Note from asker:
| Thank you |
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Comment: "Thank you!"
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David Hollywood
Native in English
Works in field
worked for int. orgs (IMF, OAS, IDB)
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
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were resident in several states and therefore Article 8 does not apply
I would say
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you might also go with "countries" as it's ambiguous and you will know from what you have
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with emphasis on "hatten" referring to the time point in question
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and I wouldn't go as far as to say "permanent residence"
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but rather "habitual residence"
PART I: HABITUAL RESIDENCE IN QUEBEC LAW AND
UNDER THE 1980 AND 1996 HAGUE CONVENTIONS.......................................................... 3
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http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/fl-lf/divorce/rhro_qc/pdf...
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as Michael rightly points out
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you might also go with "countries" as it's ambiguous and you will know from what you have
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with emphasis on "hatten" referring to the time point in question
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Note added at 2 hrs (2018-04-23 02:25:09 GMT)
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and I wouldn't go as far as to say "permanent residence"
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but rather "habitual residence"
PART I: HABITUAL RESIDENCE IN QUEBEC LAW AND
UNDER THE 1980 AND 1996 HAGUE CONVENTIONS.......................................................... 3
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http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/fl-lf/divorce/rhro_qc/pdf...
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as Michael rightly points out
Note from asker:
| Thank you! Changed to habitual. |
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: different states, not various states
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right on AT and didn't see the wood for the trees there :) "different" is le mot juste let's see how it turns out
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Michael Martin, MA
United States
United States
Native in German
&
English
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United States
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Native in: German (Variant: Germany) 
, English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
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364
rendering article 8 without bearing on the matter
Yes, parsing is incorrect.
At the time the matter was referred to the court, the spouses had their habitual residence in different countries, thus rendering article 8 .. of the ordinance without bearing on the matter.
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In line with my comment below, I would rephrase this the following way:
"At the time the matter was referred to the court, the spouses had their habitual residence in different countries. Thus, article 8 of the ordinance has no bearing on the matter."
At the time the matter was referred to the court, the spouses had their habitual residence in different countries, thus rendering article 8 .. of the ordinance without bearing on the matter.
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In line with my comment below, I would rephrase this the following way:
"At the time the matter was referred to the court, the spouses had their habitual residence in different countries. Thus, article 8 of the ordinance has no bearing on the matter."
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: This is rather "woolly"; "without bearing" would not be the language used to express the fact that a provision does not apply // "Does not apply" is an official statement of fact, not a "rejection" and standard usage in this type of document
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It sounds a bit "wooly" because I phrased it clumsily. I can fix that. Still, both "eingreifen" and "no bearing" seem slightly more nuanced to me than "doesn't apply" which sounds like a rejection without explanation.
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Full sentence
At the time of filing suit, the spouses maintained their primary residence in various states, rendering moot article 8 lit b as it relates to the order.
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