Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
volumen
English translation:
The Portico and its volume
Added to glossary by
Justin Peterson
Feb 10, 2016 18:51
8 yrs ago
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Spanish term
Spain
volumen
Spanish to English
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Architecture
St. Paul´s Cathedral: El pórtico y el VOLUMEN están dentro de otra de las intensas e importantes conversiones del clasicismo italiano en un arte británico
The term "volumen" appears a couple of times in the Glossary, but without a satisfactory solution.
This terms is constantly used in Spanish architectural texts. There has got to be a good translation. What is the idea?
Or is it one of those terms Spanish authors throw around with out even knowing what they mean? :/
The term "volumen" appears a couple of times in the Glossary, but without a satisfactory solution.
This terms is constantly used in Spanish architectural texts. There has got to be a good translation. What is the idea?
Or is it one of those terms Spanish authors throw around with out even knowing what they mean? :/
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +1 | The Portico and its volume |
jude dabo
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| 4 | (structural) enclosure |
Helena Chavarria
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| 2 | proportions / magnitude |
Wendy Streitparth
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Proposed translations
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7 mins
Selected
The Portico and its volume
vol:IV/4th edition
Peer comment(s):
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Muriel Vasconcellos
: I'd say 'the portico and the building's architectural volume' to avoid the suggestion that 'its' is referring to the portico alone. See definition that I posted.
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Thanks Muriel.Might work too but fromanother perspective,i think itsallabout abook,survey or an illustration on Saint Paul's portico(entrance)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
11 mins
Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Germany
45 years experience
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: German to English, French to English, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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16
proportions / magnitude
Suggestion
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Note added at 33 mins (2016-02-10 19:25:55 GMT)
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Or: (sheer) proportions
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Note added at 33 mins (2016-02-10 19:25:55 GMT)
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Or: (sheer) proportions
19 hrs
Helena Chavarria
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
Striving for excellence
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English
Related KudoZ points
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32
(structural) enclosure
As you've seen by the references Charles and I have posted, there's no doubt about what 'volumen' means in this case. However, I haven't been able to find an equivalent term in English, which I find surprising. I've tried 'volumetry', 'volumetric form', etc. but with no luck.
Here are a few ideas:
(Structural) enclosure
Enclosing walls
Enclosed volume
Perimeter
Exterior walls
Here are a few ideas:
(Structural) enclosure
Enclosing walls
Enclosed volume
Perimeter
Exterior walls
Reference comments
3 hrs
Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Each translation a gem!
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English
Related KudoZ points
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124
Reference:
architectural volume
From Dictionary of Construction.com
architectural volume
Definition
The total architectural areas of a building (repeating the area of a story for additional floors) including the measurement from beneath the lowest floor to the average height of the roof surface for each various building heights.
architectural volume
Definition
The total architectural areas of a building (repeating the area of a story for additional floors) including the measurement from beneath the lowest floor to the average height of the roof surface for each various building heights.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| neutral |
Charles Davis
: Hi Muriel. Architectural volume certainly is an established expression in English, but its meaning seems to be quite different from volumen as an architectural term in Spanish.
10 hrs
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36 mins
Helena Chavarria
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
Striving for excellence
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English
Related KudoZ points
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32
Reference:
'Volumen' in architecture
En Arquitectura se denomina volumen al exterior de una estructura edilicia.
Lee todo en: Concepto de volumen - Definición en DeConceptos.com http://deconceptos.com/ciencias-naturales/volumen#ixzz3znKq3...
En arquitectura es el conjunto exterior de un edificio, que encierra el espacio interior.
http://www.ecured.cu/Volumen_(Artes_Visuales)
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How about 'enclosing walls'?
http://www.panoramaofthethames.com/pott/wyngaerde-pan/st-pau...
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Note added at 14 hrs (2016-02-11 09:30:03 GMT)
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Or 'enclosing structure'
Lee todo en: Concepto de volumen - Definición en DeConceptos.com http://deconceptos.com/ciencias-naturales/volumen#ixzz3znKq3...
En arquitectura es el conjunto exterior de un edificio, que encierra el espacio interior.
http://www.ecured.cu/Volumen_(Artes_Visuales)
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Note added at 14 hrs (2016-02-11 09:27:46 GMT)
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How about 'enclosing walls'?
http://www.panoramaofthethames.com/pott/wyngaerde-pan/st-pau...
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Note added at 14 hrs (2016-02-11 09:30:03 GMT)
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Or 'enclosing structure'
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
Charles Davis
: How interesting! It seems to mean exterior form, then. Corroboration here: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espacio_arquitectónico#Volumen... // Helena: you ought to post an answer.
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Thanks, Charles! I'm not really sure how to say it in English: exterior walls, perimeter, enclosing walls? Though I've just found a reference to the latter.
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philgoddard
: I thought we had this a day or two ago.
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Yes, the term was used in relation to teaching blind people to appreciate painting, but I don't think anyone realised at the time that 'volumen' is used to refer to the outside shell of an object.
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Neil Ashby
: How about "the enclosed volume" or simply "enclosure"
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Neil, thanks for your suggestion and agreement :-)
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Discussion
"volumen
3.- En arquitectura, el conjunto exterior de un edificio, que encierra el espacio interior."
http://www.portaldearte.cl/terminos/volumen.htm
"Si bien el espacio es el elemento primordial de la arquitectura [...] él mismo está delimitado por el volumen [...] el espacio se encuentra definido materialmente por el volumen"
http://www.slideshare.net/marcjdell/espacio-y-volumen-en-la-...
"El volumen, aun siendo siempre una manifestación externa de la existencia de un espacio interior, no siempre se ajusta a su forma real, a su verdadera dimensión."
http://www.almendron.com/artehistoria/arte/arquitectura/las-...
" VOLUMEN (Arquitectura)
La expresión más directa de la forma arquitectónica es su volumetría, considerada como la cascara que contiene espacio"
http://www.enciclopediadetareas.net/2010/07/volumen.html