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Feb 25, 2015 10:16
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Spanish term

Langosta / Bogavante

Spanish to English Other Cooking / Culinary shellfish
When both appear on a menu, how to differentiate?

MARISCOS Y FRUTOS DEL MAR
Cangrejo real 147 € / kg
Bogavante canadiense 42 € / unidad
Bogavante mediterráneo 200 € / kg
Langosta mediterránea 227 € / kg
Cigalas 52 € / kg


Would bogavante be clawed lobster and langosta simply lobster?

Thanks
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 Spiny Lobster / Clawed Lobster
4 +1 American (true/northern/Maine) lobster / European (common) lobster
3 Crayfish (crawfish) / Lobster
References
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Discussion

philgoddard Feb 25, 2015:
€227 a kilo! We're in the wrong business.
Candace Holt Ryan Feb 25, 2015:
Wikipedia describes a spiny lobster as: "Spiny lobsters can be easily distinguished from true lobsters by their very long, thick, spiny antennae, by the lack of chelae (claws) on the first four pairs of walking legs, although the females of most species have a small claw on the fifth pair..." So just lobster and spiny lobster should suffice.
Ana Vozone Feb 25, 2015:
A link http://www.angelfire.com/sd/otagounidive/crayfish.pdf
Tania Pires Feb 25, 2015:
Maybe use the original name in Spanish... ...and add a small explanation for the type of lobster in brackets.
Isamar Feb 25, 2015:
Neil makes a good point and unless you order a whole lobster, it's often only the tail you get served so it doesn't really matter which kind of lobster it is. But as the list specifies two different kinds, there is a need to differentiate here. Perhaps you could just say 'Spiny lobster' and 'Lobster'.
Elizabeth Slaney Feb 25, 2015:
Not sure I agree I think they sound great on a menu. After all, lobsters or whatever you want to call them are a little freaky looking. I would rather order the correct one based on a description rather than deciphering a creative moniker.
Tania Pires Feb 25, 2015:
Agree I have to agree with neilmac on this.
neilmac Feb 25, 2015:
Commenting here to avoid disagree/neutral While biologically correct, I don't think "spiny" and claw" are desirable vocabulary for a menu (except maybe at Hallowe'en or in a horror-theme park). I'd tend to call both bogavante/langosta "lobster" and maybe try to find or invent a creative monicker for the "Langosta mediterránea"...
Charles Davis Feb 25, 2015:
I would normally have suggested just lobster for bogavante and langouste for langosta, but a problem in this particular list is that bogavante mediterráneo would come out as Mediterranean lobster, and that term is very commonly used in North America for the langosta, so it would create confusion. Crawfish for langosta, in my opinion, would be misunderstood, particularly by a British audience.
Lucy Williams (asker) Feb 25, 2015:
Indeed!
Elizabeth Slaney Feb 25, 2015:
As indeed are some on proz! You have to use your better judgement for anything you find on the Internet.
Lucy Williams (asker) Feb 25, 2015:
Thanks, I'm always a bit suspicious of wordreference as some of the answers there are totally rubbish!
Elizabeth Slaney Feb 25, 2015:
"Clawed lobster" and "spiny lobster" Couple of discussion threads on Wordreference which you have probably seen. Above seems to be the choice on both. Same problem translating from French.

Proposed translations

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Spiny Lobster / Clawed Lobster

In this cases I would use Spiny and Clawed, as just saying Lobster can apply to all of them
Peer comment(s):
agree Charles Davis : I think you'll have to in this case
17 mins
agree Candace Holt Ryan
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31 mins

Crayfish (crawfish) / Lobster

From what I've seen in menus (Google search) they tend to call the Bogavante (I searched the Portuguese term Lavagante) Lobster, while the Langosta is a bit smaller.
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American (true/northern/Maine) lobster / European (common) lobster

El bogavante (Homarus gammarus), o lubigante es un crustáceo decápodo marino, muy similar a la langosta, que puede alcanzar los sesenta centímetros de longitud. Es un pariente próximo de la langosta americana y de la cigala, y más lejanamente de la langosta.
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Homarus gammarus, known as the European lobster or common lobster, is a species of clawed lobster from the eastern Atlantic Ocean, Mediterranean Sea and parts of the Black Sea. It is closely related to the American lobster, H. americanus. It may grow to a length of 60 cm (24 in) and a mass of 6 kilograms (13 lb), and bears a conspicuous pair of claws.

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La langosta americana, langosta del norte o langosta de Maine (Homarus americanus) es un crustáceo decápodo de la familia Nephropidae.
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The American lobster, Homarus americanus, is a species of lobster found on the Atlantic coast of North America, chiefly from Labrador to New Jersey. It is also known as true lobster, northern lobster, or Maine lobster.[3][4]

The above is simply taken from Wiki, but the World Register of Marine Species (WoRMS) is more definitive:
Rank Species
Parent Checked: verified by a taxonomic editorHomarus Weber, 1795
Sources basis of record Brunel, P., Bosse, L. & Lamarche, G. (1998). Catalogue of the marine invertebrates of the estuary and Gulf of St. Lawrence. Canadian Special Publication of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences, 126. 405 p. (look up in IMIS) [details]





























[show all]
Vernacular
Names
Language Name
English Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editornorthern lobsterUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editormaine lobsterUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorlobsterUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorAmerican lobster [details]
French Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhomard américainUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhomard [details]
Norwegian Bokmål Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editoramerikahummer [details]
Norwegian Nynorsk Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editoramerikahummar [details]
Spanish Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorbogavante americano

Rank Species
Parent Checked: verified by a taxonomic editorHomarus Weber, 1795
Synonymised
names Checked: verified by a taxonomic editorCancer gammarus Linnaeus, 1758 (basionym)
Checked: verified by a taxonomic editorHomarus vulgaris H. Milne Edwards, 1837 (primary synonym)

Sources original description Linnaeus, C. (1758). Systema Naturae per regna tria naturae, secundum classes, ordines, genera, species, cum characteribus, differentiis, synonymis, locis. Editio decima, reformata. Laurentius Salvius: Holmiae. ii, 824 pp., available online at http://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/no_cache/dms/load/toc/?IDDO... [details]

















[show all]
Vernacular
Names
Language Name
Albanian Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorlangustaUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhomariUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorgaforrja e madhe europiane [details]
Arabic Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorsaratan il bahr [details]
Berber languages Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editortaroucht [details]
Catalan Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorllangantUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorllamàntol [details]
Danish Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhummer [details]
Dutch Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorzeekreeftUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorNoordzeekreeftUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorEuropese zeekreeft [details]
English Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorlobsterUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorEuropean lobsterUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorcommon lobster [details]
French Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhomard EuropéenUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhomard [details]
Galician Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorlumbrigante [details]
German Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorEuropäischer hummer [details]
Italian Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorlupo di mareUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorlupicanteUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorelefante di mareUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorastice [details]
Ligurian Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorleguban [details]
Maltese Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorliunfant [details]
Modern Greek (1453-) Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorΑστακοκαραβίδαUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorastakós [details]
Norwegian Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhummer [details]
Norwegian Bokmål Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhummer [details]
Norwegian Nynorsk Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhummar [details]
Portuguese Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editornaveganteUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorlavaganteUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorlabugante [details]
Russian Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editoromar [details]
Spanish Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhomarUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorbogavanteUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorabacanto [details]
Swedish Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorhummer [details]
Turkish Unreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editorstacozUnreviewed: has not been verified by a taxonomic editoristakoz [details]



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Note added at 1 hr (2015-02-25 11:18:12 GMT)
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PS, sorry it comes out as quite illegible here, but if you visit the "marinespecies" links you'll get a better picture of the officially accepted names for these beasts.

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Note added at 1 hr (2015-02-25 11:34:47 GMT)
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On second thoughts, I think this incorrect.....

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Note added at 1 hr (2015-02-25 11:39:39 GMT)
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You have a real headache here because you have to provide names for three different dinners!
Maybe European lobster, American lobster and spiny lobster (which is not directly related to the lobster, but takes its name!) and this is all complicated by information such as:
Lobster - FoodUniversity.com

www.fooduniversity.com/ foodu/ seafood_c/ resources/ shellfish/ Lobster/ Lobster.html - Proxy - Highlight

The Mediterranean lobster or Spiny lobster is often called Rock lobster, crawfish or Langoustine with itsThe North Atlantic clawed lobster tends to have a sweeter taste than that of the Spiny lobster.
Reference:

http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=156134

http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=107253

Peer comment(s):
agree EirTranslations
1 hr
Thanks Aqua, you've got the perfect name for this question!
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