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Portuguese term or phrase:
lides do mar
English translation:
work/labo(u)r/toil at/in the sea
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Luciano Eduardo de Oliveira
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lides do mar
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Nazaré pela tipicidade das suas gentes nas lides do
mar, praia do povo e de genuinidade. Foz do Arelho com a
sua extensa Lagoa de Óbidos que se une ao mar, revelando-se
uma verdadeira praia familiar.
mar, praia do povo e de genuinidade. Foz do Arelho com a
sua extensa Lagoa de Óbidos que se une ao mar, revelando-se
uma verdadeira praia familiar.
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work/labo(u)r/toil at/in the sea
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Mario Freitas
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Vitor Pinteus
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Lidia Saragaço
: I personally prefer "toils at sea" but all the sugestions are correct. I think "toils" is a closer meaning to all of the tasks one does when in a fishing vessel ... much like one "toils the land" one "toils at sea".
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toilers of the sea
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http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/146943.The_Toilers_of_the_Sea
http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search/11981
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seafarers
seafarers - Seafarers can refer to ethnic groups living by the sea
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Portuguese term (edited):
lides do mar
maritime trades/ the sea trades
I love 'toilers of the sea'! Muito lindo. Here, though, I think we need a reference to the 'toils' more than the 'toilers'. 'As lides do mar' would be sailing, boatmaking, fishing, whaling, lighthouse-keeping, stevedoring, etc., etc. and in English one would refer collectively to 'the maritime trades' or 'the sea trades'. 'Seafaring' would be part of it, but by itself is too narrow, as many of these trades do not involve actually going out to sea.
www.mysticseaport.org/research/.../sound-archives/ : "Mystic Seaport ... boat and ship design and construction, whaling, oystering, the New England fisheries, sail making and other maritime trades, yachting, recreational sailing and boating, the U.S. Life-Saving Service, ..."
vimeo.com/channels/202194 : "Maritime Personal Injury Lawyer. ... The firm represents injured workers from the maritime trades including seamen, longshore workers, marine construction workers, and..."
books.google.com/books?isbn=1551994844 : The Loyalists: Revolution Exile Settlements. Christopher Moore. "He invested in a whaling company and moved cautiously into the fishing industry. ... His sea trades needed the help of sailors, fishermen, boat-builders, and ..."
books.google.com/books?isbn=1561644528 : The Lighthouses of Greece. Elinor De Wire, Dolores Reyes-Pergioudakis. "Nine out of ten Greeks live on the coast; three out of ten own a boat. ... It's no surprise, then, that fishing and shipping are the oldest occupations in ... Many Greek families work in the sea trades or operate shore businesses related to the sea."
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Sample sentence:"Nazaré, by virtue of its people's long tradition in the sea trades..." or "Nazaré, owing to its people's long tradition in the maritime trades..."
www.mysticseaport.org/research/.../sound-archives/ : "Mystic Seaport ... boat and ship design and construction, whaling, oystering, the New England fisheries, sail making and other maritime trades, yachting, recreational sailing and boating, the U.S. Life-Saving Service, ..."
vimeo.com/channels/202194 : "Maritime Personal Injury Lawyer. ... The firm represents injured workers from the maritime trades including seamen, longshore workers, marine construction workers, and..."
books.google.com/books?isbn=1551994844 : The Loyalists: Revolution Exile Settlements. Christopher Moore. "He invested in a whaling company and moved cautiously into the fishing industry. ... His sea trades needed the help of sailors, fishermen, boat-builders, and ..."
books.google.com/books?isbn=1561644528 : The Lighthouses of Greece. Elinor De Wire, Dolores Reyes-Pergioudakis. "Nine out of ten Greeks live on the coast; three out of ten own a boat. ... It's no surprise, then, that fishing and shipping are the oldest occupations in ... Many Greek families work in the sea trades or operate shore businesses related to the sea."
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Sample sentence:"Nazaré, by virtue of its people's long tradition in the sea trades..." or "Nazaré, owing to its people's long tradition in the maritime trades..."
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(....the ancient bond between its inhabitants and) the traditional fishing industry
Nazaré was never a maritime centre, more of a traditional fishing village, so I don't think you need any other florid explanations which all sound misplaced to me
Discussion
mar" fishing for a living
I don't think seafarers covers it, se the title of this group from my home town.
http://fsd.suffolk.gov.uk/kb5/suffolk/fsd/organisation.page?...
unmistakable identity. The outside world recognized them by their clothing and
use of language, and their occupation played a role in the establishment of social
relationships, such as marriage and guardianship. Seafarers did not live in sepa-
rate neighbourhoods in Maassluis, Schiedam and Ter Heijde. In Schiedam and Ter
Heijde there were special hostels that provided shelter for old seafarers. There are
no indications that seafarers regarded their occupational identity as more impor-
tant than citizenship of their town or village. They felt strong ties with the com-
munity in which they lived. They made bequests to the local parish and, if their
status allowed, they played an active role in local politics
http://www.travel-in-portugal.com/nazare
"maritime trades" (52.100 resultados) ou "sea trades" (46.600).
13. ("toils of the sea"): https://www.google.pt/search?q="toils of sea"&biw=1280&bih=9...
14. ("toils of the sea"): http://watercraftjournal.com/loose-change-2014-sea-doo-spark...
15. ("works of the sea"): https://www.google.pt/search?q="works of the sea"&biw=1280&b...
1. ("lides"="faina"): http://www.infopedia.pt/lingua-portuguesa/lide
2. http://www.infopedia.pt/lingua-portuguesa/faina
3. ("faina de pesca"=fishing operation"): http://iate.europa.eu/SearchByQuery.do
4. ("faina do mar"): https://www.google.com/search?q="faina do mar"&es_sm=122&biw...
5. https://www.google.pt/search?q="labours of sea"&biw=1280&bih...
6. ("labours of sea fishermen"): http://www.freebookstoread.com/llth210_480.htm
7. ("labours of sea"): http://archive.org/stream/persketchfor1914peru/persketchfor1...
8. ("labours of the sea"): http://www.orkneyattractions.com/walk-stromness-heritage.htm...
9. ("labours of this sort"): http://singlemaltmonkey.com//?s=labour&search=Go
10. ("labour"): http://www.electricscotland.com/lifestyle/sea/chapter15.htm
11.("sea's toil"): http://books.google.pt/books?id=nRz4SETLpucC&pg=PT390&lpg=PT...
Neste texto, "lides do mar" refere-se apenas às tarefas normais das gentes do mar, que neste caso da Nazaré são os pescadores e as varinas. O texto refere-se apenas às "fainas do mar" (como a "faina agrícola"), não se está a referir à "labuta penosa e árdua do mar" ("toils") ou aos perigos/"trabalhos" do mar ("toils"/"works").
Verifiquei que em Inglês é mais ou menos assim que ocorre:
1. "labours of sea" tem a conotação mais neutra, mais apenas com as tarefas tipícas do mar, nomeadamente como as destes pescadores (remendar redes, puxar e preparar embarcações, trasfegar peixe, etc.)
2. "toils of (the) sea", "sea toils" está mais relacionado com a dureza/desgaste da vida do mar, com a "luta" dessa vida.
3. "works of the (the)sea" é a expressão que ocorre francamente mais, MAS é a uma expressão muito ambígua com diversos significados e sentidos diferentes ("perigos do mar", "ações do mar", "coisas do mar", "efeitos da erosão do mar", etc.)