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English term or phrase:

..but the winding roads allowed only the passengers to enjoy...

English answer:

..but the winding roads

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Apr 7, 2013 13:49
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English term

..but the winding roads allowed only the passengers to enjoy...

Non-PRO English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters English or not ?
A student of mine wrote the following about a drive on a mountain road: "....but the winding road allowed only the passengers to enjoy. The driver needs to keep his eyes....etc".
Will the sentence be ok if you insert "scenery" after enjoy, eg ? Or is it just un-English. ?
A road can allow two cars to pass but can it allow passengers to enjoy the scenery..?
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4 +4 ..but the winding roads
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Discussion

Victoria Britten Apr 8, 2013:
You're right about "only" as Charles says, putting it before "allowed" changes the meaning of the sentence and no longer contrasts driver and passengers. I agree with Tony that "allowed" is fine, if not magnificent; "enjoy" does indeed need an object, as David says.
Morten Olesen (asker) Apr 7, 2013:
my initial doubt was more about the use of allow, not so much the position of only, which contrasts driver and passengers if placed after "allowed"...
Tony M Apr 7, 2013:
@ Asker I've just seen the last bit of your question, and I think I can at last see what you were getting at — and it's neither of the things we've been answering!

Yes, you can use 'allowed' with 'winding road' as its subject like this — because in this situation, it is the winding-ness of the road that allowed or did not allow... although literally one might try and pick holes in it, any native EN speaker would read across this without any problem, since the intended meaning is unequivocally clear. Note, though, that 'road' on its own without any qualifier would probably not read so cleanly; think of it if you like as working because we read it as 'the winding {nature of the} road...'; that would probably help guide you in other situations.
Tony M Apr 7, 2013:
@ David I agree with Charles: I don't see anything unnatural in Charles's suggested rewording — though of course there are plenty of other possibilities.

If anything, I find the original sentence in the question rather stilted and unnatural; but I guess if this is some kind of language learning exercise, that's not entirely surprising.
Charles Davis Apr 7, 2013:
It seems perfectly natural to me, but I suppose it's a matter of opinion. The structure "allowed only the X to..." is certainly extremely common.
David Moore (X) Apr 7, 2013:
No, that's not natural English. Here, it's pretty obvious that it's only the passengers who are meant, as the driver is mentioned in the very next few words.
Charles Davis Apr 7, 2013:
I agree with Tony and for that reason I think the best place for "only" is where your student put it: before "the passengers", because the passengers are being contrasted with the driver. If you put it before "allowed", readers will understand what you mean (because it is clear from the context that it really means "only the passengers, not the driver"), but I think it's the wrong place; "only allowed the passengers to enjoy the scenery" would normally imply "but didn't allow the passengers to do other things". It might be better to phrase it differently; perhaps "because of the winding road, only the passengers were able to enjoy the scenery", for example.

And yes, you quite definitely need an object after enjoy, and "the scenery" seems suitable. I think that was your question.
Tony M Apr 7, 2013:
only The position of only seems to be what you are really asking about here?

'only' should usually be placed immediately before the item which is exclusive (here, passengers) — sometimes it can come after, but whichever, it needs to be as close as possible, to avoid misinterpretation.

Responses

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Selected

..but the winding roads

...only allowed the passengers to enjoy the scenery, trip etc. The driver had to...

As an ENS of some years, I'd say it should have been written like this - and yes, you do need an object of "enjoy" here.
Note from asker:
Only must come before allowed, yes. Tah, mate
Peer comment(s):

agree Jack Doughty
15 mins
Thanks, Jack!
agree Tony M
30 mins
Thanks, Tony!
agree Thayenga : :)
2 hrs
agree Yvonne Gallagher
7 hrs
disagree Victoria Britten : on the grounds that by changing the place of "only", you change the meaning of the sentence. The winding road also allowed the passengers, for example, to get from A to B!
17 hrs
agree Phong Le
19 hrs
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