Jul 10, 2012 06:18
11 yrs ago
Dutch term

mysterine

Dutch to English Science Chemistry; Chem Sci/Eng fatty acids
Ingredients of coconut oil:

Verzadigde vetten, oliën: 92,1% waarvan SCT c-6.0 caprion 0,4%, MCT 60,5% (c-8.0 capryl 9,2%, c-10.0 caprine 6,3%, c-12.0 laurine 45%), LCT 30,8% (c-16 mysterine 10% e.a.).

Thanks in advance!
Proposed translations (English)
4 cetyl myristoleate

Discussion

Ilke Fabritius (asker) Jul 10, 2012:
I've asked the client for clarification, I'll let you know! Thanks to both!!
Bryan Crumpler Jul 10, 2012:
Yeah, seems more logical, now that you mention, that the 16 would be a typo for 14. And even I, in my first hidden response, kept typing mysterin instead of myristin. Ilke's best bet is to change it to 14 and insert a translator's note.
Barend van Zadelhoff Jul 10, 2012:
Bryan neither did I, but I was just like you intrigued by this word 'mysterine' which is close to 'mysterieën' :-)

things need to be 'logical' and this guides my search and thoughts

the first thing I did was finding out about the components of coconut oil and myristic acid was actually one of them

http://www.stanceequine.com/mediaroom_detail.php?Coconut-oil...

the problem was 'c-16' versus 'c-14', it took some time to solve this 'mystery' :-)

it means there are actually 2 errors in the text:

'c-16' --> should be 'c-14'
and 'mysterine' (unfortunately :-)) --> should be 'myristine'
Bryan Crumpler Jul 10, 2012:
Thanks for the lesson, Barend I totally didn't know that.
Barend van Zadelhoff Jul 10, 2012:
Bryan, 'cetyl myristoleate' is not an option
It's chemical formula is C30H58O2, while 'mysterine' has, at least according to the text, 16 Cs not 30
cetyl myristoleate is a cetyl ester of myristoleic acid
'myristoleic acid' (C14H26O2) is biosynthesized from myristic acid by the enzyme delta-9 desaturase
the chemical formula of myristic acid is C14H28O2

I assume 'laurine' is identical to 'laurinezuur', 'caprine' to 'caprinezuur'
http://www.noble-house.tk/images/Links_pdf/Marion_Vallen_scr...

however you find at Amanprana also 'c-14' for 'mysterine' (rather than c-16)

MCT 55,7% (c-8 capryl: 3,6%, c-10 caprine: 3,5%, c-12 laurine: 48,6%). LCT 26,9% (c-14 mysterine: 16,3%, c-16 palmitine

http://www.noble-house.tk/html/nederlands/amanprana_bio_palm...

so I think Ilke is right, that is:

mysterine = myristine = myristinezuur

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myristinezuur

Naast de nootmuskaat wordt myristinezuur ook gevonden in palmolie, kokosolie ...




Proposed translations

18 mins

cetyl myristoleate

Gut tells me this should be "myRISTine", not "mysterine".

Often goes by its registered patent name Myristin, but it's actually cetyl myristoleate, which is commonly found in coconut oil products.

HTH

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Note added at 20 mins (2012-07-10 06:39:15 GMT)
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registered TRADEMARK name, not patent name... sorry.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-07-10 09:52:03 GMT)
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Good question, myrist(ole)ic acid is made up of a a 14 carbon chain, but the prefix c-16 indicate 16 carbons. So if it's a c-16 acid, it's not myristic. Rather it'd be palmitic acid, or as I hunched... cetyl myrisotleate, i.e., the trademarked "myristin" which is made of cetyl alc. (a c-16 chain) + myristoleic acid.

By comparison, you have octic ("caprylic") acid with the c-8 and decanoic ("capric") acid with the c-10.

So as I see it, your options are either cetyl M or palmitic acid.
Note from asker:
Thanks, Bryan. Couldn't it be myristic acid? An LCT present in coconut oil (according to info I find on the Net - I'm no expert, though)
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