Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
кадетское училище
English translation:
military prep school
Added to glossary by
Rachel Douglas
Nov 12, 2009 16:06
14 yrs ago
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кадетское училище
Russian to English
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Military education
"В кадетском училище он был лучшим учеником".
Русский рассказ об английских реалиях. Сначала я писала "officer training school," затем поняла, что 1) кадеты там наверно были бы не учениками, а студентами, а 2) в моем контексте "другие ребята" в школе оскорбляют и бьют героя. То есть, мне кажется, что речь идет о подростках. Но училище все-таки посетила "комиссия из генерального штаба".
Что это за учреждение в Англии? - "military school", то есть, средняя школа с упором на дисциплину и военную подготовку (типа Gordonstoun, где учился принц Чарльз)?
Русский рассказ об английских реалиях. Сначала я писала "officer training school," затем поняла, что 1) кадеты там наверно были бы не учениками, а студентами, а 2) в моем контексте "другие ребята" в школе оскорбляют и бьют героя. То есть, мне кажется, что речь идет о подростках. Но училище все-таки посетила "комиссия из генерального штаба".
Что это за учреждение в Англии? - "military school", то есть, средняя школа с упором на дисциплину и военную подготовку (типа Gordonstoun, где учился принц Чарльз)?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | military prep-school |
Kirill CHERESHKO
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| 4 +2 | cadet academy |
Dmitry Goykhman
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| 4 | military academy |
Judith Hehir
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References
| Situation in UK |
Jack Doughty
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Proposed translations
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Kirill CHERESHKO
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
Native in Russian
Specializes in field
Russian Federation
www.soviet-translator.pro
Native in: Russian
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian
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military prep-school
Возможно, так, если речь идет о Суворовском или Нахимовском. Курсант высшего военного училища по-английски тоже "cadet", но по-русски "курсант". А суворовцы называют себя "кадетами" на дореволюционный манер. Однако присягу они не принимают, поэтому и считаются "военизированным детским садом" в отличие от военных училищ, где учеба засчитывается в срок службы, т.к. курсанты приняли присягу.
Note from asker:
| That's a very good idea! As I mentioned, this is not about an institution in Russia, but in Britain. But, I'm allowed to write about it in "American English". And you're quite right that, while all that was coming to mind for me was simply "military school", "military prep school" is also used - and it makes it clearer what is meant. I'll see if a moderator will kindly reopen the question so I can give you points. Thanks. |
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Comment: "Thank you, this was quite useful."
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7 mins
Dmitry Goykhman
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English
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Perfectly nuanced translation
Native in: Russian 
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Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English
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cadet academy
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Note from asker:
| "Cadet academy" in English doesn't tell me whether it's university-level, or high school-level. For Zaharf: The USAF Academy is university-level, whereas "средние специальные учебные заведения", which you mentioned under Jack's reference entry, are high school-level. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Zahar Fialkovsky
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_Academy
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Andrey Belousov (X)
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21 hrs
military academy
Why not? I think this would work for various levels (college-level and prep schools)
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Rachel, google Camden Military Academy, Valley Forge Military Academy, Riverside Military Academy, and more. They are all for boys on the high school/middle and high school level(s). Wikipedia also specifies that in American English "military academies" exist in three forms, so to speak: "Three types of academy exist: High school-level institutions awarding academic qualifications, university-level institutions awarding Bachelor's degree level qualification, and those preparing officer cadets for commissioning into the armed services of the state."
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Rachel, google Camden Military Academy, Valley Forge Military Academy, Riverside Military Academy, and more. They are all for boys on the high school/middle and high school level(s). Wikipedia also specifies that in American English "military academies" exist in three forms, so to speak: "Three types of academy exist: High school-level institutions awarding academic qualifications, university-level institutions awarding Bachelor's degree level qualification, and those preparing officer cadets for commissioning into the armed services of the state."
Note from asker:
| Thanks, Judith. The problem, in this particular case, is that I needed it to definitely indicate high-school level, not university. |
| Judith, I'm sorry if I haven't been clear. I know about all those high-school level institutions named "X Military Academy" and that's fine. But "military academy" is ALSO used for West Point or the Naval Academy, i.e., it's also used for university level (as you just noted, too). In my context, somebody says about a guy: "He created horrible scandals when he was attending военное училище". So, first I needed to make sure I understood whether the Russian referred to high school, to university, or to either. And then, after settling that pretty well, I needed to translate it in a way that would leave NO DOUBT that it's talking about a high-school, not any of the other forms of military academy such as, say, West Point or Sandhurst. That's why I decided on "military school", then took Kirill's "military prep school" as even better. |
| Sorry, I mean "кадетское" not "военное". See, I finished the translation so long ago, I've already forgotten! |
Reference comments
9 mins
Jack Doughty
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Translator since 1953
Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English, German to English, English
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Reference:
Situation in UK
Our practice doesn't help you much, as both kinds are called "college".
We have the RAF College at Cranwell, the Royal Navy one at dartmouth and the Army one at Sandhurst. These take officer cadets from the age of 18 (I think), and I believe the trining period is two years.
But there are also such places as Gordonstoun, as you say, which would also probably be called a college, and there is one for the Navy at Pangbourne which I know is called Pangbourne College, taking boys from about 11-18.
I don't think this will help you much, sorry!
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They have it in the East End of London too. Cockneys say that the difference between a bison and a buffalo is that "Yer can't wash yer 'ands in a buffalo!"
We have the RAF College at Cranwell, the Royal Navy one at dartmouth and the Army one at Sandhurst. These take officer cadets from the age of 18 (I think), and I believe the trining period is two years.
But there are also such places as Gordonstoun, as you say, which would also probably be called a college, and there is one for the Navy at Pangbourne which I know is called Pangbourne College, taking boys from about 11-18.
I don't think this will help you much, sorry!
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They have it in the East End of London too. Cockneys say that the difference between a bison and a buffalo is that "Yer can't wash yer 'ands in a buffalo!"
Note from asker:
| Right, Jack - "trining" they have only in Australia! |
| Hah hah! Thanks, Jack. |
Discussion
"Да это средняя школа с упором на дисциплину и военную подготовку, типа Gordonstoun".
Since I've received permission to write in AE, I'm probably going to say "military school."