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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

bóveda sin soportes, que es la bóveda del crucero

English translation:

unsupported vault, which is the intersecting vault/cross vault/groin vault

Added to glossary by Lydia De Jorge
Jun 17, 2008 15:51
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Spanish term

bóveda sin soportes, que es la bóveda del crucero

Spanish to English Art/Literary History
Tenemos aquí en la Iglesia una de las más formidables bóvedas que existen en Europa Occidental. Es una obra magnífica. Este monumento se hizo por voluntad de un Rey, pero va a escoger a un arquitecto, que ciertamente tenía que ser un arquitecto ya con fama y con conocimiento muy serio para poder hacer la obra que aquí tenemos.
Ciertamente, después de un trabajo más completo, le vamos a ver con mucho más cuidado en la gran **bóveda sin soportes, que es la bóveda del crucero**, sino también en la otra, que son únicas en el mundo.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 unsupported vault, which is the intersecting vault/cross vault/groin vault
4 +1 a self-supporting vault, which is a rib vault
5 groined or diagonal ribbed vault
4 ribbed vault which is the transept's vault
4 ribbed vault or rib vault
4 unsupported vault, which is the transept vault

Discussion

Margarita Gonzalez Jun 17, 2008:
close to what you are looking for: http://www.artehistoria.jcyl.es/genios/cuadros/15363.htm. The diagonal ribs are so-called because the four (or more) draw a diagonal cross
Margarita Gonzalez Jun 17, 2008:
All vaults are supported to different extents, in this case the ribs do that job, but what you see is a clear space as though hanging. The most famous of course are The Pantheon's and Saint Peter's both in Rome. Here is another link, which might be very
Lydia De Jorge (asker) Jun 17, 2008:
I agree Carol I've seen several links and I am in awe...
Carol Gullidge Jun 17, 2008:

it looks as if the 'gran bóveda sin soportes' just happens also to be the 'bóveda del crucero' (cross or groin vault). But if you look at those pix of groin vaults, there doesn't appear to ba anything supporting them. La otra is an unfathomable mystery
Lydia De Jorge (asker) Jun 17, 2008:
Thanks for the valuable link Carol I'm now wondering if 'bóveda sin soportes' and 'bóveda del crucero' are TWO separate things! The end of he paragraph 'también en la otra' baffles me as there is no reference to any other vault! I keep thinking that I'm tired and therefore not comprehending, but maybe...
Carol Gullidge Jun 17, 2008:
according to this, a ribbed vault IS a supported vault:

ribbed vaults, in which the inner vault surface is subdivided by a number of independent supporting arches, or ribs

http://www.royalarchmasons.on.ca/architecture.htm

Proposed translations

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unsupported vault, which is the intersecting vault/cross vault/groin vault

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groin_vault
I believe this refers to the intersection of two barrel vaults.
Peer comment(s):
agree Carol Gullidge : this seems the closest so far, unless there is a special term for an unsupported vault. Cross or groin vault checks out here: http://www.royalarchmasons.on.ca/architecture.htm
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Gracias Carol!
agree Egmont
1 hr
Gracial!
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ribbed vault which is the transept's vault

It's what my Polytechnical dictionary Castilla says. Good luck.
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+1
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a self-supporting vault, which is a rib vault

that's how it is
Peer comment(s):
agree Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
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groined or diagonal ribbed vault

Este es lo más usado. Son temas que he trabajado durante muchos años y vale la bena añadir "diagonal" porque simplemente "ribbed" sería sólo bóveda de nervadura y de no usarse el "groined or" pudiera ser de arista. Así creo que no hay pierde.
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ribbed vault or rib vault

A type of Gothic vault. See the two wikipedia references:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bóveda_de_crucería

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rib_vault

hope this helps!

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-06-17 16:58:45 GMT)
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He completed the retaining walls and the unique single-span **ribbed vault**, a combination of stellar vaulting and tracery vaults spanning the 19 m-wide church. Each set of ribs in the vaulting is secured by bosses. The bold design (1522) of the transversal **vault of the transept lacks any piers or columns**, while Boitac had originally planned three bays in the transept. The **unsupported vault** of the transept gives the viewer the impression as if it floats in the air.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerónimos_Monastery

an usupported vault means no columns or piers, not no support at all :)
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unsupported vault, which is the transept vault

Just discovered (rather tardily!) that transept = crucero (according to the trusty Collins)

and, presumably "la otra" refers to the vault of the main aisle...

haven't been able to find a special term for "unsupported vault", though no doubt there is one, but here are a few "unsupported vaults" to be going on with


Jerónimos Monastery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe unsupported vault of the transept gives the viewer the impression as if it floats in the air. Royal tombs in the main chapel. Each sarcophagus is held ...
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Jerónimos Monastery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe architect Diogo de Torralva resumed the construction of the monastery ... The unsupported vault of the transept gives the viewer the impression as if it ...
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Tiepolo's Heaven on Earth - International Herald Tribune... the Residenz included the revolutionary unsupported vault of the Treppenhaus ... Neumann's elaborate internal architecture and the exceedingly intricate ...
www.iht.com/articles/1996/04/13/tiepo.t.php - 40k - Cached - Similar pages


MidlandsIf one looks outside one will see massive buttresses taking the strain of this wonderfully unsupported vault. The Minster is set in a lovely grassed ...
www.charter-travel.com/midlands.htm - 40k - Cached - Similar pages



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Note added at 4 hrs (2008-06-17 20:34:34 GMT)
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NB, the cross or groin vault would be where the 2 vaults (main and transept) meet or cross over

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