Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
penser le monde
English translation:
to understand the world / worldly wisdom
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Drmanu49
Jun 11, 2008 21:03
15 yrs ago
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French term
penser le monde
French to English
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General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
Il commençait à entrevoir qu’il n’était pas seulement un animal instruit et intelligent mais qu’au-delà de sa capacité à ______**penser le monde**______, il existait en lui une présence calme et rassurante qui le reliait à tout ce qui existait autour de lui.
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A nice gentle conte, with fairly informal register.
This expression seems to be pretty common (plenty of g-hits), but used in such a variety of ways that I can't put my finger on a most likely meaning!
It looks simple, and I'm sure it is. I'm just not used to penser being used transitively like this, with no preposition, although I understand it can mean "think about".
But "ability to think about the world" here? "capacity to contemplate the world" doesn't quite fit, and I feel there must somehow be more to it...
If anyone could explain, I'd be most grateful - thanks!
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A nice gentle conte, with fairly informal register.
This expression seems to be pretty common (plenty of g-hits), but used in such a variety of ways that I can't put my finger on a most likely meaning!
It looks simple, and I'm sure it is. I'm just not used to penser being used transitively like this, with no preposition, although I understand it can mean "think about".
But "ability to think about the world" here? "capacity to contemplate the world" doesn't quite fit, and I feel there must somehow be more to it...
If anyone could explain, I'd be most grateful - thanks!
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to understand the world
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Note added at 6 mins (2008-06-11 21:10:23 GMT)
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could also be to be in osmosis with
As media opens up a culture of osmosis and makes pulling information fun, youth are increasingly disconnected from the world of push. ...
www.danah.org/papers/talks/Pearson2007.html - 13k
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Note added at 6 mins (2008-06-11 21:10:23 GMT)
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could also be to be in osmosis with
As media opens up a culture of osmosis and makes pulling information fun, youth are increasingly disconnected from the world of push. ...
www.danah.org/papers/talks/Pearson2007.html - 13k
Note from asker:
thanks Drmanu! that at least makes sense! |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks again Drmanu, and everybody for your inspiring ideas! In the end I opted for "worldly wisdom", which has been accepted (so far!). I think this perhaps comes closest, although it's really hard to choose between answers"
27 mins
to see behond the horizon
to see behond the horizon you have to imagine, you have to think about what you cannot see, you have to think about the world !
Note from asker:
many thanks windblast! |
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28 mins
think his way through the world
This is a GUESS, Carol... a GUESS! :)
The point is the passage is contrasting an intellectual/rational way of relating to the world with a sensory/intuitive one... so it's stressing the concept of 'thinking' (hence the word "penser") as contrasting with 'feeling'. I feel if the passage was read out "penser" would have a little extra stress, "monde" would not as it applies to both sides of the contrast.
"He was beginning to perceive that he was not only an educated and intelligent animal but that beyond his capacity to THINK his way through the world, there existed in him a calm, reassuring presence that connected him to everything existing around him."
BTW doing my own Googling, I think a lot of the uses of this phrase correspond to "think about the world", maybe even "picture the world".
The point is the passage is contrasting an intellectual/rational way of relating to the world with a sensory/intuitive one... so it's stressing the concept of 'thinking' (hence the word "penser") as contrasting with 'feeling'. I feel if the passage was read out "penser" would have a little extra stress, "monde" would not as it applies to both sides of the contrast.
"He was beginning to perceive that he was not only an educated and intelligent animal but that beyond his capacity to THINK his way through the world, there existed in him a calm, reassuring presence that connected him to everything existing around him."
BTW doing my own Googling, I think a lot of the uses of this phrase correspond to "think about the world", maybe even "picture the world".
Note from asker:
thanks Matthew! "way of thinking about the world" is another great possibility |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Melissa McMahon
: just saw you had 'think about' - I think your reading is spot-on
5 hrs
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thankyou Melissa!
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28 mins
to make/have a mental representation /conception of the world
A turn of phrase of phrse often used in philosophical dissertations (penser la mort, penser son corps... etc)
Here's a definition precisely from an online aid for philosophy homework!
PENSER: Exercer une activité proprement intellectuelle ou rationnelle; juger; exercer son esprit sur la matière de la connaissance; unir des représentations dans une conscience.
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I wouldn't actually go for Bourth's turn of phrase, but I thinke he's right when he says it's about awareness, of what we are, who we are, where we are etc...
Here's a definition precisely from an online aid for philosophy homework!
PENSER: Exercer une activité proprement intellectuelle ou rationnelle; juger; exercer son esprit sur la matière de la connaissance; unir des représentations dans une conscience.
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I wouldn't actually go for Bourth's turn of phrase, but I thinke he's right when he says it's about awareness, of what we are, who we are, where we are etc...
Note from asker:
many thanks katsy! I see where this is going, although the required register is perhaps rather lower |
3 hrs
rationalize the universe
My try
Note from asker:
many thanks sporran! Another philosophical suggestion! |
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Julie Barber
: if you find somebody who has done this, I'll pay you...... ;-))
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Many have tried but none got rich either:-) Thanks juliebarba
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5 hrs
ability to contemplate the world
Hello,I think they're talking about this animal's ability to contemplate the world.penser le monde = contemplate the world to be able to thoughtfully consider, dwell opon, observe...I hope this helps.
Note from asker:
thanks Matthew - I think this also could have fitted! |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Julie Barber
: Morning. I think that either world or life fits....
5 hrs
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Thanks, Julie!
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8 hrs
ponder the world
Another possibility to add to your pile of suggestions...and ponder
Note from asker:
many thanks machal! This was one of my own original thoughts, along with contemplate! |
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6 hrs
to conceive or think about the world
From the passage, the ability to "penser le monde" seems on the one hand
- to correspond to his status as an "educated and intelligent animal", and on the other
- to be contrasted with the existence inside him of a "calm and reassuring presence that connected him to everything existing around him"
As per both Matthews, I read this as a contrast between a stance that grasps the world through concepts, (the elements of thought, education, intelligence) - a contemplative distance, as Matthew suggests - and a sense of being within and part of the world, a more intuitive grasp than connecting through concepts.
It's true that "penser le XXX" is a common phrase - I think it usually can be rendered with 'conceiving' or 'thinking about'.
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Saw Matthew Mc's "thinking about" afterwards...
- to correspond to his status as an "educated and intelligent animal", and on the other
- to be contrasted with the existence inside him of a "calm and reassuring presence that connected him to everything existing around him"
As per both Matthews, I read this as a contrast between a stance that grasps the world through concepts, (the elements of thought, education, intelligence) - a contemplative distance, as Matthew suggests - and a sense of being within and part of the world, a more intuitive grasp than connecting through concepts.
It's true that "penser le XXX" is a common phrase - I think it usually can be rendered with 'conceiving' or 'thinking about'.
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Note added at 9 hrs (2008-06-12 06:43:34 GMT)
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Saw Matthew Mc's "thinking about" afterwards...
Note from asker:
many thanks Melissa! I think simply "thinking about" could equally have worked, once I grasped the meaning of the expression! |
10 hrs
to (mentally) apprehend the world/conceptualise the world
I prefer "to apprehend the world", but depending on the rest of your text "to conceptualise" might be a valid alternative.
Note from asker:
many thankd B.D.! I like apprehend, although conceptualise is perhaps too "psychological" for this text |
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16 mins
think beyond himself / his own requirements
Animals supposedly cater for solely their own requirements (and those of their offspring (if you haven't seen the buffalos vs lions video, go to www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM)). One of the things that makes humans different is that we think about god (or not). And afterlife. And what's at the bottom of the ocean or beyond our universe. Or how high or fast a seagull can fly ... er, umm, I guess that's not humans but Jonathan Livingstone ... About the starving gazillions in Burma, Somalia, Burundi, etc. about the thousands slowly dying under tons of earthquake rubble, about what we'll be doing Sunday week, etc.
It's not thinking that makes us different. Animals think too. But they "ne pensent pas le monde".
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BTW, that video really makes one think about the thought processes of animals (the buffalos in this case, who run off, have a think, and come back to make a stand in defence of their calf). It really is eye-opening.
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If the contrast with "animal" need not be so strong, and to put greater emphasis on intellectual pursuits: " ... above and beyond his ability to think/reason metaphysically ..."
It's not thinking that makes us different. Animals think too. But they "ne pensent pas le monde".
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Note added at 19 mins (2008-06-11 21:23:00 GMT)
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BTW, that video really makes one think about the thought processes of animals (the buffalos in this case, who run off, have a think, and come back to make a stand in defence of their calf). It really is eye-opening.
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Note added at 12 hrs (2008-06-12 09:41:35 GMT)
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If the contrast with "animal" need not be so strong, and to put greater emphasis on intellectual pursuits: " ... above and beyond his ability to think/reason metaphysically ..."
Note from asker:
many thanks Bourth - and I'm sorry I misled you at the beginning! |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Patrice
7 hrs
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agree |
Melzie
9 hrs
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agree |
Cervin
: That video is amazing-I'd seen it before. watching our friendly squirrel searching for the nuts he hid is amazing too---he always finds them!!!
10 hrs
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neutral |
B D Finch
: Amazing video and much improved by using the mute button.
10 hrs
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21 hrs
envision the world
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Note added at 21 hrs (2008-06-12 18:15:44 GMT)
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or a variance " grip at the world"
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Note added at 21 hrs (2008-06-12 18:15:44 GMT)
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or a variance " grip at the world"
Note from asker:
many thanks jean-jacques! I also like envision |
6 hrs
analyze the world
an option
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Note added at 4 days (2008-06-16 16:00:42 GMT) Post-grading
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thanks carol, so nice as always!
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Note added at 4 days (2008-06-16 16:00:42 GMT) Post-grading
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thanks carol, so nice as always!
Note from asker:
many thanks Speakering! A nice simple suggestion, which also could have worked! |
By no means always! ;O) |
Discussion
And I realise that I owe everyone a HUGE apology for not making it clear that this isn't an actual animal, which is only being used figuratively. I see now that this has been extremely confusing, but it hadn't occurred to me earlier. I'm so sorry! This doesn't of course invalidate any of your wonderful answers.