Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Publikumsmaler werden

English translation:

cater to public taste

Added to glossary by Ann C Sherwin
May 5, 2007 16:22
17 yrs ago
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German term

Publikumsmaler

German to English Art/Literary Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting painting
The setting is northern Germany around 1890:
"Der Herr Prof. hatte noch die Güte mir vorzuschlagen
einige Zeit ••Publikumsmaler•• zu werden, um mir dadurch Geld zu erwerben, doch dazu wollte ich mein Können nicht hergeben.

The writer had been painting (on spec) for some time but not sold anything. Would a Publikumsmaler be someone who paints on commission?

Discussion

Gert Sass (M.A.) May 19, 2007:
@ Mr Cohen
First stolen, and then “definitely wrong”. It is sobering to find how easily this forum and gloss can be manipulated to mislead people without having any better knowledge of the subject …
Ann C Sherwin (asker) May 6, 2007:
More context Hi, all. This discussion has been tremendously interesting. Here is a bit more context: The writer had actually done a few portraits on commission, but he was basically still living off his father. He wanted to go to Paris but couldn't afford it. An art professor whose lectures he'd been attending had thought he could find him some financial backing. But after 6 months he had to break the disappointing news that no money was available. His advice that the writer become a Publikumsmaler for a while was given in that context.

Proposed translations

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cater to populist tastes

Given that the word "Publikumsmaler" is so open to interpretation, it's difficult to find a noun-based solution that would accurately reflect its meaning. I would suggest that you verbalize it, Ann. Your initial suggestion of "someone who paints on commission" was also a verbal construction. However, as Gert very astutely pointed out, many of the world's greatest painters have produced masterpieces on commission without compromising their talent.

Although I agree with Bernhard's suggestion of "portrait and genre painter working on commission", unfortunately, we really don't know with a high degree of certainty if being a "Publikumsmaler" entails painting portraits, becoming a genre painter, working on commission, doing commercial work, taking on odd painting jobs, or any of the other myriad plausible possibilities suggested here. We only know that the artist has refused to cater to populist tastes and would prefer to create art for art's sake.

"Der Herr Prof. hatte noch die Güte mir vorzuschlagen
einige Zeit ••Publikumsmaler•• zu werden..."

"The professor kindly suggested that I cater to populist tastes for a while..."



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Or "cater to popular tastes."

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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2007-05-06 23:09:42 GMT)
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Or "cater to public taste" (as suggested by Stephen, see below)
Note from asker:
It just occurred to me to check whether "cater (to)" was used figuratively in the 19th century. My 1886 Heath's (EG/GE) lists only "cater (for)" with its culinary meaning. Sigh....
Peer comment(s):

agree casper (X) : Well rendered, Paul
1 hr
Thanks, Chetan
agree Stephen Reader : I mugwump, but we're all tentative 'cos the only context is that the artist DIDN'T take the prof's sugg. & implies loss of integrity. But the term still not tantamount to 'hack', @ least in prof's mouth. You+Bernhard?- 'cater to public taste'/do publ. wk?
2 hrs
Yaaar, almost always a maverick, although now that the asker has revealed that our artist friend actually painted portraits on commission before the good prof gave his kind advice, who knows? 'cater to public taste' might do the trick.
agree Bernhard Sulzer : "catering to (the) public (taste)" would fit and so would a few of the suggestions I made, always keeping in mind it 's art mostly for the middle class, for people with money. I just would not use "populist" in any combination - too political a term (IMO)
17 hrs
True, true - populist would be too political, Bernhard. Our artist friend was 'catering to (the) public (taste) as a commercially-oriented, low-brow, portrait and genre painter working on commission'??
neutral Francis Lee (X) : Hmm ... "populist" sounds political IMO, while "popular/public taste" is perhaps too vague. ;-)/ In fact, it'd be "best" to determine what exacty the source term means ...
21 hrs
Yup, populist is definitely wrong. "public taste" is indeed vague - but, then again, so is the word "Publikumsmaler"! Perhaps it's best to be vague. // How can we determine the exact meaning a word coined in the 1890s - and virtually never used again?
agree Diana Loos : I think Paul's suggestion covers all aspects of this very complex concept!
21 hrs
Thanks, Diana. I'm sure the asker never dreamt that "Publikumsmaler" would generate this much discussion!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, Paul, and all who chimed in. You're right, I never expected this much discussion, and I'm sorry I didn't give enough context at first. I chose this answer because it is sufficiently vague."
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pop/popular painter/artist

Based on the one google hit for Publikumsmaler I would say this.

Im Negativen bildet diese ganze Masse von Halbkunst eine Einheit. Damit ist nicht gesagt, dass es allen Malern durchaus an Begabung gefehlt hätte. Viele von ihnen haben gut und hoffnungsvoll begonnen, viele hätten sehr wohl Genossen der großen Talente werden können. Was rationalistisch und phantasielos im modernen Bürgertum war, hat sie aber verführt und unterworfen. Wer nicht willens war und die Kraft hatte, das Bürgerliche gegen das Bourgeoismäßige zu verteidigen, der wurde vom breiten Strom mitgerissen. Es hat in den letzten Jahrzehnten viele ‚Rettungsaktionen gegeben, die darauf hinausliefen, nachzuweisen, dass in vielen dieser Publikumsmaler, dieser Halbkünstler, ein guter Kern gesteckt hat und dass ihnen zuweilen schöne kleine Werke gelungen sind. Das kann den Geschichtsschreiber aber nicht bestimmen, von dem Grundsatz abzugehen, nur dort und nur so weit vom Individuum zu sprechen, wie es formgestaltend gewirkt hat. Die Vertreter der Kunst für Alle haben durchweg zu Lebzeiten schon die Früchte ihrer Tätigkeit genossen; die Nachwelt braucht sich mit ihrem Gedächtnis nicht zu beschweren, sie darf die Toten ihre Toten begraben lassen."
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:1l5ujcLFxR4J:www.otto-pil...
Peer comment(s):

agree Bernhard Sulzer : after Ann gave us some more info, I think pop/popular painter (artist) would be correct, or maybe, in 19th century lingo, a people's artist/painter, an artist/painter for the (broader) public.
1 day 12 hrs
Yeah, my biggest objection to my own answer was that it didn't sound like proper terminology for the 19th century, but then I don't really know what that is or isn't...
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a painter who would have no trouble selling his/her work

another possible interpretation
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2 hrs

artist for the masses

might fit the register here
Peer comment(s):

neutral Bernhard Sulzer : I would agree, except I think it was meant mainly for the middle class, the people with money.
1 day 10 hrs
Point taken. Make that "the masses with disposable income," then ;-)
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8 hrs

occasional painter / jobbing painter

Suggestion more as fuel for further ideas than as a definitive solution. Looking for the "stock phrase" flavour that's in the German, coupled with the inferences from Henry, Gert, Lori . "Occasional" in sense of "for occasions", cf. 'bespoke' (might that do? - in ironic analogy to b.-tailor, Maßschneider... ) rather than "only occasionally". (Cf. Gelegenheits... ). The refs to "Publikumsmaler" in
Digit. Wörterb. d. Dt. Sprache des 20. Jhdts: http://www.dwds.de/ (need to register; free) and then go for the "Corpora" option for 3 quotes (all from a 1941 art-historical piece, I'm afraid), seem to cover both derogatory "popular" AND "public" as in public/civic commissions - Historienbilder likely to have been more public than private. Would also fit the period. (tho' "Publikums-" seems odd if "öffentlich" meant).
Peer comment(s):

agree Francis Lee (X) : Sorry - I overlooked "bespoke"
1 day 13 hrs
No hassle (or as all good Adelaidians'd have it, No Worries) - ta. PS I'm not from Adelaide. But been.
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portrait painter (working on commission)

commissioned by the middle class painting (for) the middle class.
After the introduction of the photograph, this shifted to the upper classes. Because of that definiton (and your context), the following might also work:

(travelling) artist who paints on commission
travelling portrait painter

a (modern-day) travelling artist who paints on commission:
Antje Schiffer
see:
http://english-express.net/2001/new-office.htm

http://www.portraitcommission.com/en/index.html
you want to commission a portrait


or: with a more artistic touch:
portrait- und genre painter

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Luks

modern-day portrait painter and artist:
Alex J. Lang
see:
http://eyemotionmedia.at/uebermich.htm

http://www.louisbriel.com/pages/pro/pro_cont3.html
Portrait painters, working on commission



Genremaler des 19. Jahrhunderts (kommerziell gängigere Genremalerei)

http://www.zeitenblicke.de/2006/2/Pavlinec/

Der wichtigste Auftraggeber war das Bürgertum, wobei die Maler sich seinen noch sehr bescheidenen Wünschen anpassen mussten. Gefragt waren typische Porträts, die den vorherrschenden Schemata des Biedermeiers entsprachen, oder – allerdings seltener – schlichtere Landschaftsbilder, die in Wirklichkeit mehr topographische, auf naturgetreue Wiedergabe ausgerichtete Studien als vollblütige romantische Naturszenen waren. Öffentliche Aufträge gab es fast keine, weil außer der Kirche keine Institutionen im Land existierten, die dafür Sorge getragen hätten.


http://www.delart.org/damdocent/19thtz.html#walraven

Many portrait painters of the 19th century were itinerant artists, traveling from town to town painting the portraits of the middle class. They were craftsmen as well as artists, stretching their own canvases and making their own paints and frames.

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typo corr.: portrait- *and* genre painter

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another option:

portrait artist
Ian Stietencron
http://www.stietencron-portraits-gallery.co.uk/

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..working on commission

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The term can be taken as describing somebody who paints accomodating the wishes of the audience (das Publikum), in this context the middle classes mostly, thus crafting portrait paintings, one major source for that at that time - other "commissions" were scarce (revealed by Henry's link for example).
So, they could be called "commercial artists/painters" in a more general sense, being concerned about making a living instead of producing art for art's sake -

Publikumsmalerei WAR "gefällige" Malerei in:
http://edoc.ub.uni-muenchen.de/archive/00005675/01/Doms_Anne...
Interessant erscheint jedoch die Wahrnehmung der Ausstellungen durch das
Publikum. Denn wie Hans Eckstein berichtet, blieb der Besuch der ersten „Gro en
M nchner Kunstausstellung im Vergleich zu den „Massenaufm rschen der
nationalsozialistischen Jahresschauen wohl eher begrenzt.406 Die Bilder in den
Ausstellungen der drei Gro en K nstlervereinigungen abgesehen von den
abstrakten Arbeiten aus der Neuen Gruppe wurden nach Aussagen der zeitgenössischen Presse bald als gefällig und wie bereits angedeutet als „Publikumsmalerei eingestuft, das Interesse der
Öffentlichkeit an diesen Werken schien gering.

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"painter/artist for the public "

would certainly be the most literal translation and should also fit =
an artist who "succumbs" to the wishes of the public, or, is forced to paint something that is looked upon as "low (brow) art (see my links).



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for the context here, I still think my original suggestion has merit.

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= the prof. suggests to end the "spec "work and get paid - by compromising one's art and subjugate oneself to commission work such as offered by the public/middle class (portaits, landscapes, etc.)

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In light of the additional information Ann provided,

I am pretty sure that "Publikumsmaler" is a "Publikumskünstler," a "low brow" artist that keeps the broad public as his/her audience in mind when it comes to motif and technique; nothing to artsy, easily understandable and accessible by most people, with a good entertainment value, as opposed to a "high-brow, artistic art."

Catering to the public (taste) would well describe it, and an

"artist/painter for the (broader) public" or
"commercial artist" or "low-brow artist" as I suggested, would probably too. And even a

"people's artist" or "pop(ular) artist" would fit, although the latter term would probably not have been used in the 19th century.

In other words, the good professor told him to sell out or become a "sell-out."

http://www.lagds-bremen.de/doc/narnstlerkrenfreiheit_30.pdf
nst"
Und meiner Meinung nach dürfen wir bei all den Ansprüchen,
die wir haben, nicht vergessen, FüR WEN wir Theater machen. Gut, für Eltern, Omas, Kollegen, Schulleiter, uns selbst, aber in erster Linie doch für ein jugendliches Publikum und nicht zuletzt für unsere
jugendlichen Spieler. Und ist es nicht ein wichtiges Kriterium,
wenn die Spieler großen Spaß am Spielen haben und das Publikum
jubelt? Auch wenn die Experten das entsprechende Stück "grotten-schlecht" finden? Theater ist "emotionale
Kommunikation", und, ein letztes Zitat:
„Theaterkunst ist immer auch Publikumskunst."(11)

(11)Gerhard Jöder in: DIE ZEIT
vom 15.3.2001



http://www.hallanzeiger.de/terminkalender/news_id061365/febr...

Die Diskussion basiert auf dem 1948 in Leipzig gehaltenen Vortrag Worringers zur "Problematik der Gegenwartskunst".
Grundthesen seines Statements: Der Kampf zwischen Künstlerkunst und Publikumskunst werde vielfach zu einem Klassenkampf umgefälscht; die Antithese: volksferne und volksnahe Kunst demaskiere den ideologischen Sinn staatlich propagierter Kulturpolitik und die Flachheit des häufig genutzten Slogans "die Kunst dem Volke".
Der Eintritt ist frei.

http://www.amazon.de/Art-Rock-Posters-Presley-Folio/dp/15585...
high art/popular



http://www.haus-giersch.de/seiten/aktuell.htm
Mit ihrer Erzählfreude sprach die Genremalerei das Gemüt des bürgerlichen Publikums an. Maler wie Johann Heinrich Hasselhorst, Anton Burger, Carl Bernhard Schloesser, Adolf Schleyer, Ludwig Knaus oder Heinz Heim erschlossen der Gattung in den kommenden Jahrzehnten ein vielfältigeres Motivspektrum und erweiterten die Bandbreite des malerischen Ausdrucks.

Die Genremalerei bewegte sich in der zweiten Hälfte des 19. Jahrhunderts zwischen den extremen Polen einer gefälligen Salonkunst und eines kritischen wie auch rein malerischen Realismus.

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ALWAYS KEEPING IN MIND the art was meant for the public as in "middle class", the people who had money to pay the artist.

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typo corr.: nothing to*o* artsy
Peer comment(s):

agree Paul Cohen : A very convincing list of examples - and I'm convinced. // "portrait and genre painter working on commission" seems to cover just about all the bases.
2 hrs
my list got even longer in order to do some more convincing
agree Stephen Reader : Having orbited around the 'populist' & 'public' notions in my own sugg., read yours again.- Bread-and-butter portraitist?
6 hrs
thank you, Stephen. Yes, artists concerned about making a living first, not creating art for art's sake, so, "commercial artists/painters would maybe be another option...and painters for the public - see my add-on
neutral casper (X) : Publikumsmaler = Porträtmaler ?
8 hrs
having pointed out what it is that such a painter might do (portraits), that's certainly not all. Hence my other suggestions: commercial artist or artist/painter for the public (public here mostly the middle class)
agree Francis Lee (X) : You'll forgive me for not reading every word of yet another Bernhard S. epic ;-) ... although I did the same with David ...
1 day 21 hrs
yes, of course! thank you Francis!
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1 day 14 hrs

bespoke-work painter / on request

Ass Bernhard says, "Publikumsmaler" would comprise the middle/merchant classes, i.e. not someone who does 2-minute (10-pound!) portraits for tourists on Trafalgar Square. ;-)

The now antiquated word "bespoke" occured to me - in today's language "made to order".

The existence of the stalls indicates that selling out of the workshop was probably limited to what in early modern America was called''bespoke work''
http://oit.boisestate.edu/sknox/dissertation/Ch4.html
(albeit for shoemakers)
Yes, "bespoke-work painter" doesn't sound too pretty - just an idea.

Otherwise, you could rephrase with e.g. "work on request/order"

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Oh well, only now does "commercial painter" occur to me - although I'm not sure if that's 19C-speak ;-)
Note from asker:
Thanks for your contribution and your sensitivity to the 19th century factor. I had considered "commercial artist" and decided it sounded too modern, but somehow commercial painter doesn't bother me as much. Ensuring that the slang and colloquial expressions I choose actually existed in the 19th century has been a challenge throughout this assignment.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Paul Cohen : Stephen Reader (our resident artist-translator) suggested 'bespoke' the other day. // It sounds adequately antiquated. Very 1890s-ish!
6 hrs
I think I can be forgiven for not reading every word of every suggestion ;-) But what do you say to the word?
agree Bernhard Sulzer : I did suggest "commercial painter/artist" myself - although it's hard to find in all that info. In light of the fact that I too think commercial painter fits, I do "agree"!
7 hrs
Touché!
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populist painter

Alternatives: audience-directed (cf. Audience Directed TV Programming [http://www.filmireland.net/archive/televisionsucks.htm]), sales-focussed, ...

An attitude which is focussed on sales rather than creative innovation.
See google hits: http://www.tiny.cc/xzUvk

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Since there is potential, at least in the post-grading world, for closer observation and more qualified judgement than has been demonstrated on this page, here are some more clues, especially for anybody who seriously doubts that the above-suggested term exists at all.
You may also want to watch the numbers for an idea of how long the term has been in use.

“populist painter”:

Haring, Keith (1958–90), U.S. populist painter, born in Kutztown, Penn.; started out as New York subway graffiti artist; studied at School of Visual Arts, New York City, 1978–79; artist in residence at Montreux Jazz Festival, Switzerland, 1983, and at Walker Art Center, Minneapolis, 1984; best known for graffiti-style art of faceless, sexless chalk figures surrounded by kinetic lines suggesting frantic movement; popularized…
http://www.britannica.com/ebi/article-9311596

Hendrik Mesdag was a banker turned populist painter. The panorama of the beach at Scheveningen is his masterpiece. Completed in 1881, the painting was recently restored and rehung. It's a kitschy delight. Standing in the center of the painting, with appropriate recorded bird calls and surf sounds playing, you'll get the feeling that you're standing on the beach.
http://community.iexplore.com/planning/journalEntryActivity....

Many in the art establishment considered Pro Hart to be a populist painter, yet he yearned to have his work treated seriously by his peers…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200603/s1602481.htm

Guerra strides forward in the steps of the great religious painters of centuries past. His feast of myopic, hyper-sexed excess points to Bosch. His ballooned woman floating skyward to the clouds recall the ecstatic ascensions of Tiepolo, Veronese, Guido Reni. And his fantastic, quasi-cinematic scale riffs on the postdiluvian epics of ***19th-century populist painter*** and printmaker John Martin…
http://www.jackthepelicanpresents.com/guerrapr.html

Prairie populist painter William Kurelek's stuff has gone from selling for below $20,000 for a major canvas five years ago to double that this month.
http://www.garth.ca/columns/010528.shtml

Jesse was the daughter of the well-known American populist painter, Thomas Hart Benton…
http://www.trussel.com/lyman/lyman.htm

THE LS LOWRY phenomenon goes on, as plans for a Salford centre devoted to his work and his memory gather pace and auction prices for his Lancashire stickmen continue to reach ever more bewildering levels. It's easy to be sniffy about such an overtly populist painter, but, as Works on Paper, including Shelter (right), shows, there was a real artist lurking behind the cliches…
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19980922/ai_...

A lithograph by the populist painter Grant Wood, titled "Sultry Night" (1937), depicts a nude farmer dousing himself with a bucket of water. Harmless enough, one would think, though the print was declared pornographic by the United States Postal Service, which banned its transport through the mail…
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7DB1F30F...

As it moves beyond the artist's European period, the exhibit shows Rivera's parallel transition from cubist to populist painter. Urged to return to Mexico in 1921 by José Vasconcelos, the Mexican minister of education, Rivera pursued mural painting as a way of bringing art -- always with a message -- to the Mexican people.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/L...

This list is incomplete. For some 163 hits for the same wording, refer to http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&client=firefox-a&rls=org.m... I have no idea why other contributors to this page did not even consider this possibility.




Peer comment(s):

agree Katarina Peters : Yes, rather this than "pop artist"
1 min
Thanks. I do not either see any indication of Pop Art in a "1890s setting".
agree Courtney Sliwinski : I tend to agree here, or perhaps something along the lines of "paint according to current demand"
1 hr
Yes, or even "giving in to the mainstream", with a more recent notion.
neutral Paul Cohen : Can an artist consciously become a "populist painter"? Isn't it a term that critics use to describe an artist? "Son, take my advice - become a populist painter" sounds bizarre to me.
4 hrs
Look at some hits for "PP". Commission work has not at all to do w/ wasting talent (cp. e.g. most of Ren./bar./class. artists). /For the same reason, obviously the German sentence does not make any sense either.
neutral Francis Lee (X) : Ditto. Sounds like Jörg Haider hitting on hard times ... And that link appears to be incomplete ;-)
1 day 14 hrs
This hints at the idea that proficiency in 1's mother tongue can be somewhat limited. If you choose going through life on the assumption that things which have not penetrated your mind yet can't possibly exist, well – good luck! YMWT read above note.
neutral Diana Loos : With Paul
1 day 15 hrs
For what reason, actually?
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