Mar 30, 2007 09:23
17 yrs ago
French term
corsetés
French to English
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Wine / Oenology / Viticulture
Modeste contribution à un combat " décisif " entre les partisans des vins industriels, corsetés chimiquement, aux goûts identiques et ceux qui, comme nous, à XXX, essayent de défendre des vins authentiques et d’expression
Proposed translations
(English)
| 1 +3 | pepped up / livened up etc. |
Tony M
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| 3 +2 | dressed |
Francis MARC
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| 4 +1 | strangled |
Christiane Allen
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| 4 +1 | discussion - NFG |
Bourth (X)
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| 3 +1 | straitjacket |
Alain Pommet
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| 3 +1 | corseted |
Jock
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| 3 | chemically shaped/manipulated |
frenchloki (X)
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| 2 | chemically treated |
Jonathan MacKerron
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Non-PRO (1): Julie Barber
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Proposed translations
+3
1 hr
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pepped up / livened up etc.
I find it really hard to believe that this has the sense of 'constarin, in a corset', or anything to do with dress...
Could it not be a nonce word, or even an error, for 'corsé' — I can see how someone might think that the past tense of the verb 'corser' needed the 't' added for the sake of euphony, or just to differentiate it from 'corsé' = strong; or then again, they might have wantd to say 'a little bit', with the diminutive suffix '-et'
corser = to spice / liven / pep up
cors-et-er = to do so a little bit (probably ought to be 'corsetter', if one wanted to coin a new word)
I know it's far-fetched, but seems to me to fit better with 'chimiquement'
Could it not be a nonce word, or even an error, for 'corsé' — I can see how someone might think that the past tense of the verb 'corser' needed the 't' added for the sake of euphony, or just to differentiate it from 'corsé' = strong; or then again, they might have wantd to say 'a little bit', with the diminutive suffix '-et'
corser = to spice / liven / pep up
cors-et-er = to do so a little bit (probably ought to be 'corsetter', if one wanted to coin a new word)
I know it's far-fetched, but seems to me to fit better with 'chimiquement'
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
+2
12 mins
dressed
FingerLakesWine.com (Finger Lakes Wine): Winery listing- [ Traduire cette page ]The extra level of control shows up in products such as the 2005 Riesling Select, an elegant wine dressed to the nines with peach flavor. ...
www.fingerlakeswine.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999...
www.fingerlakeswine.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999...
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Julie Barber
: or flavoured even - essentially that's all it is if it's being done with chemicals. The sheer idea of it gets me annoyed!! it's not wine, it's paint stripper....
7 mins
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| agree |
Istvan Nagy
12 hrs
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+1
1 hr
straitjacket
In a chemical straitjacket.
If you don't allow personality to come through, you talk about putting people in a straitjacket. Why not for wine too?
If you don't allow personality to come through, you talk about putting people in a straitjacket. Why not for wine too?
1 hr
Jonathan MacKerron
Native in English
Retired as of Jan 2019!
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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4
chemically treated
perhaps
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fettered by chemicals
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fettered by chemicals
+1
9 hrs
Christiane Allen
United States
United States
Native in French
United States
Corporate Content Specialist
Native in: French (Variant: Canadian)
Works in: English to French
+1
11 hrs
corseted
It seems that in English as well as in French, this word is used in Oenology.
+1
15 hrs
discussion - NFG
Like Tony, I feel "pepped up a little" deserves serious consideration. However, the final choice will prob. depend on interpretation and/or any further context you have since it could also have the meaning of "corseted".
Consider the following:
Laurent, passionné de vins et de nature. D'où mon surnom de Mr Vinature;-). ... à moins d’apprécier le bois et les vins corsetés par le soufre ! ...
vinature.skynetblogs.be/archive-week/2007-08
I think sulphur is more likely to give wine a strong taste than to "corset" it.
corseté par de bons tanins (text not cut-and-pastable)
http://www.gastrosyr.com/pdf/Mai2004.pdf
Likewise with tannins.
Nez intense, déterminé, non dénué de complexité, composé de notes de fruits mûrs, de calisson, de végétal. Il augure dune bouche corsetée, particulièrement dense, longue, rigoureuse et minérale, exprimant les agrumes et le menthol.
[…]
La dégustation se concentre sur des rieslings secs, virils, corsetés, de garde (et de repas). Les trames acides de ces vins au caractère trempé sont vigoureuses
Nous ne noterons aucun vin, les commentaires suffiront à se faire une idée. ... léger et à la longueur moyenne corsetés par des tanins un peu envahissants. ...
www.lapassionduvin.com/phorum/read.php?9,144668,144888
Ditto
Ce vin solaire libère des arômes de fruits rouges et offre une structure assise sur une matière intense que des tanins bien léchés viennent corseter. Il se déguste en compagnie d’un lapin aux olives.
http://www.cuisineetvinsdefrance.com/vins.php?idVins=66
Ditto bis
Un vin corseté qu’il aurait fallu carafé [sic!] pour le révéler.mais qui parait tout de même de très grande qualité pour le peu qu’il veut bien montrer. ...
www.lapassionduvin.com/phorum/read.php?3,112794,page=1
[Not sure if in this instance "corseté" does not mean corsetted, confined, straightjacketed, so decanting it would let its hitherto straightjacketed taste out; on the contrary, decanting might also subdue a wine that is a little too "corsé" !]
Consider the following:
Laurent, passionné de vins et de nature. D'où mon surnom de Mr Vinature;-). ... à moins d’apprécier le bois et les vins corsetés par le soufre ! ...
vinature.skynetblogs.be/archive-week/2007-08
I think sulphur is more likely to give wine a strong taste than to "corset" it.
corseté par de bons tanins (text not cut-and-pastable)
http://www.gastrosyr.com/pdf/Mai2004.pdf
Likewise with tannins.
Nez intense, déterminé, non dénué de complexité, composé de notes de fruits mûrs, de calisson, de végétal. Il augure dune bouche corsetée, particulièrement dense, longue, rigoureuse et minérale, exprimant les agrumes et le menthol.
[…]
La dégustation se concentre sur des rieslings secs, virils, corsetés, de garde (et de repas). Les trames acides de ces vins au caractère trempé sont vigoureuses
Nous ne noterons aucun vin, les commentaires suffiront à se faire une idée. ... léger et à la longueur moyenne corsetés par des tanins un peu envahissants. ...
www.lapassionduvin.com/phorum/read.php?9,144668,144888
Ditto
Ce vin solaire libère des arômes de fruits rouges et offre une structure assise sur une matière intense que des tanins bien léchés viennent corseter. Il se déguste en compagnie d’un lapin aux olives.
http://www.cuisineetvinsdefrance.com/vins.php?idVins=66
Ditto bis
Un vin corseté qu’il aurait fallu carafé [sic!] pour le révéler.mais qui parait tout de même de très grande qualité pour le peu qu’il veut bien montrer. ...
www.lapassionduvin.com/phorum/read.php?3,112794,page=1
[Not sure if in this instance "corseté" does not mean corsetted, confined, straightjacketed, so decanting it would let its hitherto straightjacketed taste out; on the contrary, decanting might also subdue a wine that is a little too "corsé" !]
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Tony M
: Yes, in the instances quoted that mention 'tannins' (and I think that includes the carafable wine in the last one), that would be entirely consistent with the idea of 'strong-tasting'
2 days 7 hrs
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7 hrs
chemically shaped/manipulated
I don't think there is a mistake - the term "corseté" is used quite a lot to describe a wine that is closed, not releasing all its potential, as in this quote: "La bouche devoile une matière ronde, de suite relayée par une franche acidité, le vin déroute un peu. La finale est assez longue, laissant la place à des tanins encore rugueux. Corseté et anguleux, ce vin ne demande qu'à attendre afin de dévoiler son potentiel."
http://www.sommelier-vins.com/article-5718874.html
In your text, I would take it to mean wines made using chemicals and where all the personality is shaped into something that will appeal to the mass market, versus the wine made using traditional methods, oozing with personality.
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The considered opinion of my neighbours (all winegrowers) here in Bordeaux is that it means that the wine has been made stronger, or given body, by the use of chemicals. None of them felt it had anything to do with corsets.....
http://www.sommelier-vins.com/article-5718874.html
In your text, I would take it to mean wines made using chemicals and where all the personality is shaped into something that will appeal to the mass market, versus the wine made using traditional methods, oozing with personality.
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Note added at 1 day5 hrs (2007-03-31 15:03:01 GMT)
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The considered opinion of my neighbours (all winegrowers) here in Bordeaux is that it means that the wine has been made stronger, or given body, by the use of chemicals. None of them felt it had anything to do with corsets.....
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