Sep 12, 2006 07:39
17 yrs ago
русский term
Conference Interpreter, Business Segment
Native in: русский
Works in: английский => русский, русский => английский, испанский => русский
прорухи у старухи
русский => английский
Искусство/Литература
Фотография/Обработка изображений (и изобразительные средства)
На наше счастье, советская власть так увлеклась построением отдельно взятого рая на земле, что всю пропаганду, сиречь ТАСС с АПН и примкнувшими к корыту гуманитариями, подгребла под себя, а всякую ненужную для светлого будущего мелочёвку – художественную любительскую фотографию, авторскую песню и прочие пустяки – скинула простым людишкам. И, слава Богу! Кабы не эти ***прорухи у нашей 70-летней старухи*** – была бы у нас вместо фотографии сплошная ШТАЗИГРАФИЯ, тупая, как засвеченная плёнка.
Такой вот тонкий интеллигентский юморок=).
Коллеги, можно ли здесь передать сымысл, сохранив образность? Заранее признателен за любые варианты.
Такой вот тонкий интеллигентский юморок=).
Коллеги, можно ли здесь передать сымысл, сохранив образность? Заранее признателен за любые варианты.
Proposed translations
(английский)
| 3 +5 | if not moth in our 70 year old cloth... |
Kirill Semenov
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| 3 +2 | fly in the ointment |
Jack Doughty
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| 3 | homer nods |
Vladimir Lioukaikine (X)
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| 3 | A try |
Alexander Demyanov
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Proposed translations
+5
5 мин
Kirill Semenov
Украина
Украина
Native in русский
Украина
60+ books translated and published
Native in: русский 
Works in: английский => русский, русский
Related KudoZ points
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8
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if not moth in our 70 year old cloth...
Хороший вопрос!
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Note added at 12 mins (2006-09-12 07:51:59 GMT)
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Думаю, тут можно даже соединить для логики:
But - thank you, God, for a moth in our 70-year-old cloth! - ...
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Note added at 15 mins (2006-09-12 07:54:41 GMT)
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Или: Luckily, there was a moth in our old cloth, и тэпэ.
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Note added at 12 mins (2006-09-12 07:51:59 GMT)
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Думаю, тут можно даже соединить для логики:
But - thank you, God, for a moth in our 70-year-old cloth! - ...
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Note added at 15 mins (2006-09-12 07:54:41 GMT)
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Или: Luckily, there was a moth in our old cloth, и тэпэ.
Note from asker:
| Да я и сам был приятно удивлен:) Спасибо, Кирилл! |
Peer comment(s):
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tanyazst
: but for the moth in our 70 bla-bla cloth
15 мин
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| agree |
Levan Namoradze
1 час
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Jack Doughty
: "Moth in the cloth" sounds as if it ought to be a metaphor in English, but I have never heard of it and can find no trace of it on Google.
1 час
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here, we have a set phrase "и на старуху бывает проруха", meaning even a very experienced person may make mistakes. Next, the author coins it a bit producing a new form. Adding 70-летняя the author implies the USSR system which lasted during 70 years.
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Karen Sughyan
2 час
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Denis Kazakov
: I like this one better. "Проруха" is a failure, and implies a loophole for independent photography, and a fly does not.
2 час
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Blithe
: unfortunately it does not sound idiomatic for a native speaker// возможно :)
7 час
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это правда, тут не спорю. Хотя опирался на словарный вариант, но Джек пояснил, что так не говорят. Возможно, сойдёт за новояз?
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Alexandra Tussing
1 дн 16 час
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Останавливаюсь на этом варианте по ряду причин (в рифму + образность + оперативность). Всех благодарю за помощь!"
+2
58 мин
Jack Doughty
Великобритания
Великобритания
Native in английский
Великобритания
Translator since 1953
Native in: английский
Works in: русский => английский, немецкий => английский, английский
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4
fly in the ointment
If it were not for that fly in our 70-year-old ointment...
Found Phrase -- "Fly in the ointment"
THe phrase "a fly in the ointment" comes from Ecclesiastes 10.1: "Dead flies make the perfumer's ointment give off a foul odor" ...
www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/18/messages/714.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
fly in the ointment. The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy ...
fly in the ointment. The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002.
www.bartleby.com/59/4/flyintheoint.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
fly in the ointment - definition of fly in the ointment by the ...
Definition of fly in the ointment in the Online Dictionary. Meaning of fly in the ointment. What does fly in the ointment mean? fly in the ointment synonyms ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/fly in the ointment
By the way, what does "тупая, как засвеченная плёнка" mean?
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-12 08:43:50 GMT)
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Maybe "as dim as a Toc-H lamp" would do for that, although that's a rather old-fashioned expression nowadays (originated in First World War)
Toc H FAQ
Where Does "As Dim as a Toc H Lamp" come from? Lamp.jpg (3352 bytes), The Lamp is the lamp of maintenance adopted by Toc H and has on it the cross of Ypres which Toc H ...
www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/dave/TOC_H/faq.htm
Found Phrase -- "Fly in the ointment"
THe phrase "a fly in the ointment" comes from Ecclesiastes 10.1: "Dead flies make the perfumer's ointment give off a foul odor" ...
www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/18/messages/714.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
fly in the ointment. The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy ...
fly in the ointment. The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002.
www.bartleby.com/59/4/flyintheoint.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
fly in the ointment - definition of fly in the ointment by the ...
Definition of fly in the ointment in the Online Dictionary. Meaning of fly in the ointment. What does fly in the ointment mean? fly in the ointment synonyms ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/fly in the ointment
By the way, what does "тупая, как засвеченная плёнка" mean?
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-12 08:43:50 GMT)
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Maybe "as dim as a Toc-H lamp" would do for that, although that's a rather old-fashioned expression nowadays (originated in First World War)
Toc H FAQ
Where Does "As Dim as a Toc H Lamp" come from? Lamp.jpg (3352 bytes), The Lamp is the lamp of maintenance adopted by Toc H and has on it the cross of Ypres which Toc H ...
www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/dave/TOC_H/faq.htm
Note from asker:
| ШТАЗИГРАФИЯ should be an author’s neologism derived from the Stasi, the Ministry for State Security (Ministerium für Staatssicherheit) of the former GDR (like STASI + photoGRAPHY). |
| As for 'fly in the ointment' no doubt it is widely known. However, my vision is English-speakers may see 'ointment' as something positive, which does not seem to be the case here. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Kirill Semenov
: "Тупая, как засвеченная плёнка" - as stupid and useless as a light-exposed film, i.e. no use in it + I don't know what "Штазиграфия" means, either :)
11 мин
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Thank you. "Dim as a Toc-H lamp" also means stupid, but is applied to people, so it wouldn't do here.// Can't understand or find ШТАЗИГРАФИЯ either.
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a05
: fly in the ointment is ложка дегтя
2 час
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Thank you.
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Alexandra Tussing
1 дн 15 час
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Thank you.
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2 час
homer nods
Shouldn't our homer nodded for 70 years in a row we would have had Stasi-graphy instead of photography.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2006-09-12 10:32:57 GMT)
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Homer, with the capital "H" of course. Must be contagious...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2006-09-12 10:42:48 GMT)
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The original expression is "Even Homer nods" or "Homer sometimes nods" or a mixture of both "Even Homer sometimes nods".
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Note added at 3 hrs (2006-09-12 10:46:15 GMT)
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The phrase ``Homer sometimes nods'' or ``even Homer nods'' means that even someone who is the best at what they do can turn in a subpar performance.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0804/dictionary_men081204.a...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2006-09-12 10:32:57 GMT)
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Homer, with the capital "H" of course. Must be contagious...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2006-09-12 10:42:48 GMT)
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The original expression is "Even Homer nods" or "Homer sometimes nods" or a mixture of both "Even Homer sometimes nods".
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Note added at 3 hrs (2006-09-12 10:46:15 GMT)
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The phrase ``Homer sometimes nods'' or ``even Homer nods'' means that even someone who is the best at what they do can turn in a subpar performance.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0804/dictionary_men081204.a...
5 час
Alexander Demyanov
Native in русский
Software Engineering background
Native in: русский 
Works in: английский, русский, русский => английский, and 1 more.
A try
...if not for these/such holes in our 70-old [iron] wall...
The idea is to keep it rhyming and at the same time to have "iron" allude to the infamous "iron curtain" and "wall" - to the Berlin wall (which would work nicely with the Stasi wordplay).
I am not sure though whether these references would be readily obvious to an English speaking reader.
The idea is to keep it rhyming and at the same time to have "iron" allude to the infamous "iron curtain" and "wall" - to the Berlin wall (which would work nicely with the Stasi wordplay).
I am not sure though whether these references would be readily obvious to an English speaking reader.
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