Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
shame to him who thinks evil (thoughts).
Italian translation:
vergogna su chi pensa male / sia bandito chi pensa male / maledetto sia colui che ne pensa male / mal incolga a chi mal pensa
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Shame to him who thinks evil (thoughts).
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Is there a comparable phrase/proverb in Italian (not just a translation) of the French saying "Honni soit qui mal y pense." ? I'm trying to find an Italian saying which has the same meaning/sense as the French saying quoted above but not an exact translation of it.
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vergogna su chi pensa male / sia bandito chi pensa male / chi pensa male, sia vituperato
Not really sayings but this is what I found online.
http://www.clickup.it/010803/spettacolo/art05_spettacolo_010...
http://www.dweb.repubblica.it/archivio_d/2003/06/14/rubriche...
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Maledetto sia colui che ne pensa male
http://ilrestodelcarlino.quotidiano.net/chan/musica:4638424:...
http://www.clickup.it/010803/spettacolo/art05_spettacolo_010...
http://www.dweb.repubblica.it/archivio_d/2003/06/14/rubriche...
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Maledetto sia colui che ne pensa male
http://ilrestodelcarlino.quotidiano.net/chan/musica:4638424:...
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sia maledetto chi pensa male
anche vari riscontri in internet.
"Honi soit qui mal y pense" e' la (forse) piu' famosa versione francese.
"Honi soit qui mal y pense" e' la (forse) piu' famosa versione francese.
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Annalisa Abbondanti
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Nice to meet your deadlines!
Native in: Italian 
Works in: English to Italian, German to Italian, French to Italian
Mal incolga chi mal pensa.
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ehm, better "mal incolga a chi mal pensa".
The language is not everyday Italian, but dignified, just as nobody would use "honni soit" in colloquial French.
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ehm, better "mal incolga a chi mal pensa".
The language is not everyday Italian, but dignified, just as nobody would use "honni soit" in colloquial French.
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Valentina Pecchiar
: "Male incolga chi male pensa" sounds the best to me, with no truncation male/mal ('incogliere' can be both trans. and intransitive)
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thank you, though I believe word truncation adds a rhythm to the sentence reflecting the original French sentence.
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Luisa Doplicher (X)
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Nicola (Mr.) Nobili
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Francesca Callegari
Italy
Italy
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Italy
accuracy as a must
Native in: Italian
Works in: English to Italian, Spanish to Italian, Italian
mal colga chi mal pensa
my grandmother used to say it often! I never heard that "mal incolga", baut maybe it exists somewhere else in Italy.
cheers, happy new year!
cheers, happy new year!
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Valentina Pecchiar
Italy
Italy
Native in Italian
Italy
Your words, my Italian colors on them
Native in: Italian (Variant: Standard-Italy)
Works in: English to Italian, Italian
Honni soit qui mal y pense
Depending on the register and target audience of your text, IMO it could be left in French. I've found it in the original version quite often in articles and essays (don't remember seeing it translated, actually) and most people with a high-school education would recognize it as the Order of the Garter's motto.
In spite of the literal words, to me the French saying used in Italian always conveys a bit of an irony, a sort of a "Don't think evil, but that's what I mean you to do" connotation.
FWIW
In spite of the literal words, to me the French saying used in Italian always conveys a bit of an irony, a sort of a "Don't think evil, but that's what I mean you to do" connotation.
FWIW
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