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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Gewalttäterdatei Sport

English translation:

Data File on Hooliganism

Added to glossary by Natalie Wilcock (X)
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Sep 27, 2005 05:56
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German term

Gewalttäterdatei Sport

German to English Law/Patents Law (general) Straftaten
Die Gewalttäterdatei Sport enthält im Zusammenhang mit Sportveranstaltungen eingeleitete und abgeschlossene Ermittlungsverfahren, insbesondere Gewaltdelikte gegen Personen und Sachen sowie Straftaten gegen die öffentliche Ordnung.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 Data bank on violence at sports events
4 +1 register/database/list of sports-related offenders
3 sport(s) offenders
Change log

Sep 27, 2005 07:58: Marcus Malabad changed "Term asked" from "Gewaltt�terdatei sport" to "Gewaltt�terdatei Sport"

Discussion

Natalie Wilcock (X) (asker) Sep 28, 2005:
Thanks Manuela. ;-))
Trans-Marie Sep 28, 2005:
I like your own idea, Natalie (violent offender register). It says it all without sounding like translatorese.
Tom Funke Sep 27, 2005:
'Hooliganism'-probably more common a term in UK than in US English-appears to be all too often associated with socccer games, though in Soviet-English translations it referred to almost anything that displeased the State. Put it in quotes. Tom
Natalie Wilcock (X) (asker) Sep 27, 2005:
Kenneth, I so totally agree. But I was told by our legal rep that that is the official name, obtained from somebody outside the company. I repeatedly asked whether this is a, as you rightly call it, homegrown translation, and was TOLD that it wasn't. Hmpf, what can you do? ;-))
Ken Cox Sep 27, 2005:
Hmmm -- is that an in-house (DIY) translation, or something they actually got from somewhere else? It sounds suspect to me (IMHO 'data file' is unnatural English in this context).
Natalie Wilcock (X) (asker) Sep 27, 2005:
Data File on Hooliganism Folks, sorry to interrupt your highly interesting discussion, but I have been TOLD that the official name for this file is Data File on Hooliganism. Although I googled it and found nothing, I was TOLD to use this official rendering. Hmpf. Sincerely wish they had come up with this earlier. Thanks so much for all your responses. I would have opted for something like Violent Offender Register - Sports in the end, I believe. Sorry, and thanks again to all that made the effort to respond and discuss. Regards, Natalie

Proposed translations

48 mins
German term (edited): Gewaltt�terdatei sport

sport(s) offenders

i believe this may fit
Note from asker:
Yes, these contain such offenders but that's not quite what I am looking for, Stephen. This is an official term in Germany, the equivalent of which I am sure must exist in the english-speaking world as well. But thanks nonetheless. Regards, Natalie
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German term (edited): Gewaltt�terdatei sport

Data bank on violence at sports events

From the context I believe this is not about violence on the sprot field, but violent fans. In Switzerland (and all over Europe) it is a paroblem. And the the use of "sports" after the "Gewalttäterdatei" is part of the name to indicate that it is not just about violence, at sports events.

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Note added at 57 mins (2005-09-27 06:53:57 GMT)
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the last sentence should read "And the the use of "sports" after the "Gewalttäterdatei" is part of the name to indicate that it is not just about violence, *but violence* at sports events.

Peer comment(s):
agree Sigrid Thorbjørnsrud
30 mins
agree KARIN ISBELL
7 hrs
neutral Stephen Sadie : data bank??? don't yopu mean database...
1 day 8 hrs
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German term (edited): Gewaltt�terdatei sport

register/database/list of sports-related offenders

Nach meiner Google-Recherche zufolge scheint es in GB keine offizielle Datei mit einem bestimmten Namen zu geben. Es gibt zwar einen Football (Disorder Act) 2000, aber eine solche Datei scheint der nicht vorzusehen, aber vielleicht findest du mehr.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime/footballdisorder/

Solche Dateien bzw. Register/Listen gibt es aber in anderen Bereichen, z. B. im Bereich der Sexualstraftaten:

Violent Offender & Sex Offender Register

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=VISOR&meta=

Oder auch bei Gesundheitsverstverstößen:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/pdfs/hela0001.pdf

Also


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Note added at 1 hr 42 mins (2005-09-27 07:38:34 GMT)
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Natürlich geht es nicht um Gewalt der Sportler, sondern der Fans. Trotzdem spricht man von football related offences und football related offenders (bei dir müsste man dann entsprechend sport oder sports einfügen.

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Note added at 1 hr 46 mins (2005-09-27 07:42:06 GMT)
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It may be illogical, Linda, but I would go for an expression that is used in the language rather than a literal translation.

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Note added at 1 hr 55 mins (2005-09-27 07:51:13 GMT)
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You can see from Stephen's answer (and he is a native speaker) that he did not find it odd to say that. I'm sure he was aware that the issue here is not cricket players killing each other.

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Note added at 1 hr 59 mins (2005-09-27 07:55:06 GMT)
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Also, it is a database (I would use register, I think) on the offenders, not the offences.
Peer comment(s):
neutral lindaellen (X) : I'm OK with register or list, but "sports-related" could also be 2 crochet players hitting each other. It's fans, not players and should be indicated.
14 mins
Please see my comment above.
agree Kieran McCann : this would certainly include players where appropriate (names like Bowyer and Dyer come to mind); perhaps 'file' since this is specifically about legal proceedings, not just a general database
31 mins
Yes, file is a good solution. I'm not happy with database myself.
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