https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/music/6482074-caja-de-un-armonio.html
Mar 11, 2018 18:02
6 yrs ago
Spanish term

caja de un armonio

Spanish to English Other Music
A box of a pump organ? Is the part called a box in English? A sounding box??

Según el testimonio de su amigo en París, el artista compra un armonio que tocaba en “el hueco de una escalera caracol, una especie de descanso donde apenas podía moverse con sus largas piernas… se enroscaba en su caja para hacerle sonar acordes…”

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Proposed translations (English)
5 +1 harmonium box
4 +1 body of a harmonium

Discussion

JohnMcDove Mar 12, 2018:
Yes, seems that Sandro "ha dado en la tecla"... So, yes, once you mentioned it makes waaaay more sense like this...
Charles Davis Mar 12, 2018:
@Sandro Yes, I see your point. Anyway, it's good to have the correct solution, and I'm kicking myself for not having connected the dots myself.
Sandro Tomasi Mar 12, 2018:
@Charles Thank you for your response. I would post an answer, but there is a problem. Wendy has inquired about the term caja de un armonio, to which Neilmac and John have posted accurate answers. However, Wendy has also given us a contextual reference that does not match the queried term. If Wendy wants to go with the queried term, she's got a couple of winning answers. If she wants to go with the context, .... Well, she hasn't answered my question about the ellipsis so I see no point to knock on the door again.
Charles Davis Mar 12, 2018:
caja So I presume it means "well" here. Why not post an answer?
Charles Davis Mar 12, 2018:
@Sandro It seems obvious (at least to me) once you point it out. I was dubious about the idea of curling up inside a harmonium, but didn't pursue that thought to its logical conclusion. Obviously it's impossible to do so inside a portable harmonium, but it's very doubtful you could do so even inside an old-fashioned harmonium, which is like a little organ (especially if you have long legs!). I don't think it is possible. And even if you could, how would you play it at the same time? And how would you get an instrument like that (which is quite large) inside a spiral staircase? It must be what you suggest: he curled up in the space inside the spiral staircase and played a portable harmonium in there. The "caja" must be that of the staircase; it can't be that of the harmonium.
Sandro Tomasi Mar 12, 2018:
caja DRAE: ... 15. f. Espacio o hueco en que se forma la escalera de un edificio.

Wendy has not answered my question yet, and perhaps we don't need to fill in the elliptical space. However, I can't see how se enroscaba en su caja would be curl up in the (harmonium) box/body.

It seems to me that the person would curl up inside the well of a spiral staircase so that the reverb therein would produce chordal sounds.
neilmac Mar 12, 2018:
Nico I saw her once in the 80s. Thought she was staring at me while singing, but it was probably just into space... :)
Charles Davis Mar 11, 2018:
Me too I was very excited to have the chance; I don't think she performed all that often. It was in a very small venue. I remember her heavy German accent. I was hoping she might sing "All Tomorrow's Parties", but no.
Thomas Walker Mar 11, 2018:
@ Nico Charles, you take me back with your mention of Nico. The VU banana album is still one of those ones for me. Never saw her live...
Charles Davis Mar 11, 2018:
@Tom Thanks! Very interesting.
Thomas Walker Mar 11, 2018:
@Charles Harmonium is sometimes used as a synonym for pump organs in general, of pretty much all sizes. In my lifetime, in the U.S. anyway, I'm not used to seeing the term harmonium used much in this way. I have seen it more as a kind of exotic, hand-held or at least very portable, small pump organ. I'm most familiar with it, though, in connection with music from the Indian subcontinent; particularly, for me, with Pakistani Qawwali sacred music, as exemplified by Ustad Farrukh Fateh Ali Khan, accompanying the great qawwal Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. However, in more recent times, the instrument is being rejected on the subcontinent, partly because it is a Western imposition on non-Western cultures; & practically because it is not possible to sound tones in between the diatonic scale tones of Western music or to perform glissando-like glides between notes - both of which have been important features of Indian & Pakistani musics.
Charles Davis Mar 11, 2018:
case or body It used to be called the case. The following is from a nineteenth-century book entitled A Catechism for the Harmonium:

"Question. Of what is a harmonium composed? Answer. The several parts of a. harmonium consist of a case, somnier, notes or vibrators, bellows, stops, and keys. [...]"
https://books.google.es/books?id=BTxcAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA9

But modern sources seem to call it the body. Mind you, they seem to be referring to portable harmoniums, which are new to me and seem to be very popular in India.

I've always known the instrument that's about the size and shape of an upright piano with pedals to pump air, as a harmonium, though in the US particularly it seems to be called a pump organ. I used to play the harmonium myself, and in the 1970s I saw Nico (of Velvet Underground fame) perform in France, singing her incredibly gloomy songs and accompanying herself on the harmonium.
philgoddard Mar 11, 2018:
Oh, I see. So case or cabinet.
Sandro Tomasi Mar 11, 2018:
piernas...se enroscaba Wendy, would it be possible for us to get the words left out with the ellipsis?
neilmac Mar 11, 2018:
Curled around ... or words to that effect.
Thomas Walker Mar 11, 2018:
@Phil I think here "se enroscaba..." means he wrapped himself around, coiled himself around, the case of the harmonium. He's playing the thing in a spiral staircase, a kind of "relaxation" in which he can scarcely move his long legs... He had to wrap himself around the case in order to get enough freedom of movement to be able to make it play chords...
philgoddard Mar 11, 2018:
It's usually called a harmonium. Caja could be cabinet, but I don't understand "se enroscaba".

Proposed translations

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harmonium box

In this case, it is probably about a portable harmonium and caja refers to the box.
Peer comment(s):

agree neilmac : I almost posted this too, but the links said "body" so...
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body of a harmonium

According to the link, it's just called the body, the same as for a guitar.

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"Moreover, the placement of elbow on any part of the body of the harmonium creates obstacles in the free movement of fingers. "
Example sentence:

The body of the harmonium cannot be fragmented into parts.

Peer comment(s):

agree JohnMcDove
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