apklausa

23:26 Sep 24, 2013 

Why "closed" tender? Is that because you can only bid if you are invited to? If we look carfeully at the noun „apklausa“, we can see it comes from the verb „apklausti“, which ANGLONAS translates as investigate question examine survey interrogate poll ballot canvass . In its structure, „ap-klausti“ is similar to the English "ask around", and that helps see why the word „apklausa“ normally has the meaning of a survey, and in a sense, a closed tender is "asking around" to see who wants to make a bid.

20:28 Sep 24, 2013 

Frisco, your line of argument suggests a very very simplistic view of language and of translation. Google Translate would love the world your way where all begins and ends with an all-powerful legally sanctioned dictionary for each language. Firstly, what Diana says about the rapid pace of language dynamics. Secondly, it goes without saying that the meaning of words in specialist terminology can and often does differ from dictionary meaning. Regarding the etymology of this public procurement "slang" (as you say). Apklausa is a type of simplified tender. The regulations for these are established by the public sector contracting authorities themselves. Search the web and you will find plenty of regulations using the term, often defining it as, more or less, a pirkimo procedūra, kai perkančioji organizacija apklausia keletą pasirinktų tiekėjų dėl prekių pardavimo ir (ar) paslaugų teikimo, ir (ar) darbų atlikimo pagal perkančiosios organizacijos nustatytas pirkimo sąlygas. This has already become the longest KudoZ discussion I have ever been dragged into during my many years on this website. As it is getting late, I hope you will excuse me for resting my case now. Have a good evening.

20:01 Sep 24, 2013 

Frisco, I would like to agree with you but I couldn't disagree more. I think I can use the inclusive 'we' here to say that we all know only too well that a dictionary is outdated the moment it is published. Dictionaries simply can't keep abreast of all new meanings, and the same applies to DLKŽ.

19:46 Sep 24, 2013 

I do not agree. But, if I would agree, there is another very important point I could refraze. As we all know, Dabartinės lietuvių kalbos žodynas is THE oficial source of standartized meaning of Lithuanian words. Simply put, if the meaning of a word isn't there, you cannot use any other way. In an official text like this one cannot use survey the way you want. It a basic, cardinal rule. Kalbos kultūra so to speak. If you say it is translation, therefore some wiggle room in English - I say, even if you right, then the source text word is nonsensical in the forst place. For the same reason - word meaning is being used incorrectly. Incorrect because it is not standartized. Just like popular mistake when "pastovus" is used in terms of "ilgai besitęsiantis" when spekind about duration. Cannot use it even if it is widely used. The same with apklausa - in no way you can use it in the context you want, even if it is widely aceppted in legal/business context. If it was slang - then yes. Legal text- no.

19:06 Sep 24, 2013 

First things first. Do you now agree that "apklausa" in Lithuanian *in this case* is not a survey, opinion poll, etc., but one out of the several ways to run a public procurement tender? If you don't see this basic point, i.e. if you insist on disputing the meaning in the source language, then there is no point in discussing the translation at this time.

18:57 Sep 24, 2013 

I think it is allowed to send KudoZ questions to email posted in the profile. If you ask though, I will honor your request. Sorry about that.

It is a reasonable request, I suppose, to provide a source where closed tender is defined in the way one is advocating for. VPT link is Lithiuanian text which uses apklausa, bt explains nothing why it should be translated closed tender. "Dabartinės lietuvių kalbos žodynas" http://dz.lki.lt/get/11830/ clearly gives oficial meaning of apklausa and
http://www3.lrs.lt/pls/term/dba_term.termp.term_sar?p_term=a... (Seimas of the republic of Lithiania link) show translations of the word apklausa.

So, lay meaning or not, just show us the definition. Sounds simple :)

18:11 Sep 24, 2013 

Dear Frisco, I would kindly ask you to refrain from using my business email to send KudoZ-related questions. You write "Sveikas,
be abejo, kad rimtai. Paaiškink, kaip viešieji
pirkimai/public procurement (tender) gali būti apklausa?
Mano argumentas prieš tavo variantą būtų prašymas.
Pateik kokį oficialų anglišką šaltinį, žodyną,
verslo žodyną, ką nors, kur public procurement/tender
būtų paaiškintas kaip kažkas panašaus į survey. Aš
pateikiau savo variantą. Ar gali tu?" As a last attempt to rephrase what I've already said at least twice, "apklausa" in this case has nothing to with research of any kind, with seeking out public or group opinions, trends, etc. You are misunderstanding the word in Lithuanian. That's the point. "Apklausa" here is not being used in its lay meaning. This is a specific legal/procurement context. When public procurement is carried out not actually publicly, in Lithuania, this is referred to as "apklausa". It is a specialist term used in this field. Please refer to the VPT link I posted for you or to any introductory public procurement material available online. I don't know how else I can help you. Good luck!