cadere nel nulla

English translation: sink into oblivion

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Italian term or phrase:cadere nel nulla
English translation:sink into oblivion
Entered by: Wendy Streitparth

01:24 Sep 12, 2018
Italian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Religion / Vatican II
Italian term or phrase: cadere nel nulla
As the last sentence of the book I'm translating (on Vatican II), it should sound good to the ear as well as being formally correct. Here's the sentence

Ma ciò ha significato nient’altro che il risorgere del modernismo come fenice dalle ceneri della salutare “intransigenza romana”, lasciata completamente e colpevolmente ***cadere nel nulla*** dal “buon papa Giovanni”.

This is what I have at present, but I don't like it:

"But this has entailed nothing less than the resurgence of modernism like a phoenix from the ashes of that healthy "Roman intransigence" which "the good Pope John" allowed completely and culpably to fade away."

Thanks for any suggestions.

Peter
Peter Waymel
Italy
Local time: 15:05
sink into oblivion
Explanation:
(infamousl/(shamefully) permitted to sink (fade) into complete and utter oblivion
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Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 15:05
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2sink/fade into oblivion/obscurity
Josephine Cassar
3 +2sink into oblivion
Wendy Streitparth
4let/allowed to slip away completely
Lisa Jane
4left to come to nothing
James (Jim) Davis
4plunge into the abyss
Lara Barnett
3to drop into thin air
JohnMcDove


  

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to drop into thin air


Explanation:
To fall into nothingness

Come to nothing...

A couple of possibilities.

JohnMcDove
United States
Local time: 07:05
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let/allowed to slip away completely


Explanation:
lasciata completamente e colpevolmente ***cadere nel nulla*** dal “buon papa Giovanni”.

That the good Pope John (or John the "good Pope") let/allowed to slip away completely

If you use to let you can omit the "guilty" part which makes the construction too heavy IMO.

Lisa Jane
Italy
Local time: 15:05
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 23
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sink/fade into oblivion/obscurity


Explanation:
Because the sense is of something that will be completely forgotten as if it never existed.

Josephine Cassar
Malta
Local time: 15:05
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in MalteseMaltese
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Wendy Streitparth: Sorry, Josephine. Your answer wasn't there when I posted.
12 mins
  -> Thank you-probably finished writing the explanation just before you posted yours.

agree  Fiona Grace Peterson
3 hrs
  -> Thank you
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sink into oblivion


Explanation:
(infamousl/(shamefully) permitted to sink (fade) into complete and utter oblivion

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 15:05
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 11
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Manuela Maruccia-Hirvelä
1 hr
  -> Many thanks, Manuela

agree  bluenoric
8 days
  -> Many thanks, bluenoric
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left to come to nothing


Explanation:
was left to come wrongly and completely to nothing.

James (Jim) Davis
Seychelles
Local time: 18:05
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plunge into the abyss


Explanation:
I would say this as it evokes the idea of nothingness in continuum.



Example sentence(s):
  • "The country might PLUNGE INTO THE ABYSS of economic ruin."
  • "Smithson is not nihilistic, he does not PLUNGE INTO THE ABYSS, but like Deleuze he favours that art which has something of the abyss, of chaos, about it."

    https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/abyss
    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kb8WDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=art+encounters+deleuze+abyss&source=bl&ots=AqsDZAuK_U&sig=GAIlO6Uvegw
Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:05
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20
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